Bouncing ball OOB during throw-in

[jmaellis]

Originally Posted by Rev.Ref63

Can the thrower bounce the ball out-of-bounds during a throw-in? The situation in question happened as the thrower "spun" the ball to use the spin to get it in-bounds around a defender. If it is an infraction, what is the call?

I trying to picture what is being described here. Did the inbounder put the spin on the ball, bounce it out of bounds (with the spin) and then the ball entered the court?

And, just for total clarity on my part, am I correct that it is permissible to put a spin on the ball that lands inbounds?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

I trying to picture what is being described here. Did the inbounder put the spin on the ball, bounce it out of bounds (with the spin) and then the ball entered the court?

And, just for total clarity on my part, am I correct that it is permissible to put a spin on the ball that lands inbounds?

The spin is irrelevant. As Rut said, "dribbling" is fine. The problem is when the thrower passes the ball onto the court and it bounces out of bounds first. If, on the actual in bounds pass, the ball bounces OOB, it is a throwin violation for failure to throw the ball directly onto the playing court.

Again, whether he spins it or not doesn't matter.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

I trying to picture what is being described here. Did the inbounder put the spin on the ball, bounce it out of bounds (with the spin) and then the ball entered the court?

And, just for total clarity on my part, am I correct that it is permissible to put a spin on the ball that lands inbounds?

Except for spinning in OOB as described here and backcourt (frontcourt status, spin to backcourt & back to front court), I can not think of another time that spinning the ball may be a violation; in the act itself......

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Splute

I can not think of another time that spinning the ball may be a violation

Especially not at a Globetrotters game!

[Splute]

Ha, true!! Do they still exist? I quit watching after Meadowlark (sp?) left.... say 20 years ago?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Splute

Ha, true!! Do they still exist? I quit watching after Meadowlark (sp?) left.... say 20 years ago?

Yes - and in another thread I posted a link to a youtube video of Mark Cuban refereeing one of their games.

[Splute]

Saw that link, but I am not allowed to Youtube at work... I will look it up after the scrimmages tonight. Lets see.... that was on the "dancing" thread I do believe... too funny.

[Nevadaref]

THROW-IN VIOLATIONS
9.2.2 SITUATION A: Thrower A1 attempts deception by: (a) causing the ball to carom from the wall behind him/her, or from the floor out of bounds and then into the court; (b) caroming the ball from the back of the backboard to a player in the court; or (c) throwing the ball against the side or the front face of the backboard, after which it rebounds into the hands of A2. RULING: Violation in (a) and (b), since the throw did not go directly inbounds. The throw-in in (c) is legal. The side and front face of the backboard are inbounds and, in this specific situation, are treated the same as the floor inbounds.

9.2.2 SITUATION D: A1 dribbles the ball on floor on the out-of-bounds area before making a throw-in. RULING: Legal, a player may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

I trying to picture what is being described here. Did the inbounder put the spin on the ball, bounce it out of bounds (with the spin) and then the ball entered the court?

No spin necessary....

A1, on left side of lane for the throwin...a few steps back from the throwin plane. A1 throws a bounce pass to A2 who is on the right side of the lane near the endline. The ball travels in a straight line but the point at which is bounces is still OOB.

Originally Posted by jmaellis

And, just for total clarity on my part, am I correct that it is permissible to put a spin on the ball that lands inbounds?

Yep, legal.

[BillyMac]

After a made basket by Team B, Team A has the ball for an end line throw in. I believe that A-1 can bounce pass the ball, out of bounds, along the end line, to A-2, who is also out of bounds, within the five second time limit.

[Rev.Ref63]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

After a made basket by Team B, Team A has the ball for an end line throw in. I believe that A-1 can bounce pass the ball, out of bounds, along the end line, to A-2, who is also out of bounds, within the five second time limit.

It was this exception to the throw-in requirement that made me question this situation. If the inbounder can legally throw to a teammate OOB after a made basket, could he also use "spin" to bounce the ball OOB and then have it spin in-bounds past a defender?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rev.Ref63

If the inbounder can legally throw to a teammate OOB after a made basket, could he also use "spin" to bounce the ball OOB and then have it spin in-bounds past a defender?

No.Whether he spins it is completely irrelevant. The "spin" itself never matters according to the rules. Never.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Rev.Ref63

It was this exception to the throw-in requirement that made me question this situation. If the inbounder can legally throw to a teammate OOB after a made basket, could he also use "spin" to bounce the ball OOB and then have it spin in-bounds past a defender?

While the thrower may pass to a teammate who is OOB after a made or awarded basket, the pass onto the court still must be directly into the court.

NFHS 7-5-7 After a goal or awarded goal as in 7-4-3, the team not credited with the score shall make the throw-in from the end of the court where the goal was made and from any point outside the end line. ... Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in OR he/she may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary line.

There is no circumstance where the spin-pass-thingee described is legal. The problem, as has been stated, is not the spin, but that the pass bounced OOB before coming inbounds, it was not "directly into the court" (NFHS 7-6-1)

[Rev.Ref63]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

There is no circumstance where the spin-pass-thingee described is legal. The problem, as has been stated, is not the spin, but that the pass bounced OOB before coming inbounds, it was not "directly into the court" (NFHS 7-6-1)

That makes sense.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

After a made basket by Team B, Team A has the ball for an end line throw in. I believe that A-1 can bounce pass the ball, out of bounds, along the end line, to A-2, who is also out of bounds, within the five second time limit.

You are positively correct.

And what would you have if B2, defending A2, intercepts the pass from A1?