Bounce pass to self

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Double dribbler is bouncing the ball with 2 hands at the same time or dribbling stop dribbling again. Learn the difference.

Can you cite where I may find the term "double dribble" in any rulebook?

Btw, is it illegal to bounce the ball with 2 hands?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can you cite where I may find the term "double dribble" in any rulebook?

Btw, is it illegal to bounce the ball with 2 hands?

I'm going to say that you cannot bounce the ball with 2 hands at the exact same time, that is for official terms, an illegal dribble, Snaqs may call it a double (illegal) dribble, but in either case, it's a violation. Am I misinterpreting something here? Is this not an illegal dribble?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm going to say that you cannot bounce the ball with 2 hands at the exact same time, that is for official terms, an illegal dribble, Snaqs may call it a double (illegal) dribble, but in either case, it's a violation. Am I misinterpreting something here? Is this not an illegal dribble?

Yes, you can.
Yes, you are.
No, it's not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The OP had the ball being thrown over a defender. He was either holding the ball or his dribble ended with the throw.

Originally Posted by Old School

How do you know that? You can not determine that with what the OP stated.

Actually, I can say it with about 99% certainty. In order to throw a ball, one must be holding it. A pass may in fact be a "bat" or a "tap," but the OP stated "throw." That means, from what I could read, he intended the passer to be holding the ball before it was released. If is holding the ball after he has dribbled, that dribble has ended.

Originally Posted by Old School

What I stated that was deleted by the Mods was entirely correct, though they stated it wasn't.

No, it was not correct.

Originally Posted by Old School

There are a lot of things in this game that you cannot say for sure and i was merely trying to point that out. When you consider the question can you pass the ball to yourself? The answer is yes and no, depending on the situation!

As has been stated, you cannot, by definition, pass to yourself, since a pass is a ball moved from one person to another. The original post asked if a player could throw the ball to himself, and it was later brought up whether this could be done after the dribble had been used. The answer to this question is emphatically "no."

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If a dribbling player throws the ball upwards, the ball has to have come to rest in his hand. Retrieving the "pass" would still constitute a double (illegal) dribble unless another player has touched it.

Originally Posted by Old School

Retreiving the ball constitues an ILLEGAL Dribble, not a DOUBLE Dribble.

Let me break down what I wrote for you. I used "double" because it's how most fans and coaches refer to it. I put the term "illegal" in parentheses because that's how the rules refer to it.

Originally Posted by Old School

Double dribbler is bouncing the ball with 2 hands at the same time or dribbling stop dribbling again.

Case in point. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Old School

Learn the difference. Also, it is possible to throw the ball over the head of an opponent and retrieve it while dribbling. Have you ever heard of batting the ball upwards. Dribble has not ended.

Throwing and batting are completely different things, even when their purpose is the same. For an illustration, see the rule break down on what can be done with .2 seconds on the clock. A dribbling player may bat the ball upwards without necessarily ending his dribble. Throwing it, however, is a dribble killer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm going to say that you cannot bounce the ball with 2 hands at the exact same time, that is for official terms, an illegal dribble, Snaqs may call it a double (illegal) dribble, but in either case, it's a violation. Am I misinterpreting something here? Is this not an illegal dribble?

It depends.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm going to say that you cannot bounce the ball with 2 hands at the exact same time, that is for official terms, an illegal dribble, Snaqs may call it a double (illegal) dribble, but in either case, it's a violation. Am I misinterpreting something here? Is this not an illegal dribble?

Coach P is right.

Bouncing the ball with 2 hands at the exact same time is NOT an illegal dribble and a violation. Nor has it ever been an illegal dribble and a violation in any ruleset- NFHS, NCAA or NBA.

It's just another case of your failure to understand the most basic of rules.

Touching the ball with both hands at the same time while dribbling legally ends a dribble. If you dribble again, it now becomes an illegal (second) dribble. Iow, it is legal to bounce the ball with 2 hands at the end of a dribble. It is illegal to touch the ball after that though unless it touches or is touched by another player first.

Of course, you also can always legally start a dribble by bouncing the ball with both hands and then legally continue to dribble.