you make the call

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

There was clearly time on the clock when the whistle blew. The clock shows 0.3 when the shooter is already on the ground out of bounds. If any of the 3 officials observed the time before the clock hit zero, they should put that amount back up.

I agree with that . . . they should - but they didn't. My comments were only about the incident that happened after time expired. And note that the coach didn't argue that time should have been put back on the clock - he should have been *****in about that instead of crying for a T that shouldn't be called.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not blame the officials for knowing exactly what should or should not be on the clock. That is a very hard thing to see by the calling official (unless there was another clock located in his field of vision and that is not likely). It is possible that the official opposite table or the Trail official might have gotten a better look.

Agree completely. That's why I said "if" they saw any time on the clock, they should put it back up. But if you don't see it -- and as you said, it's very hard for the calling official to see it -- then you can't put any time up.

If the rules considered lag time, I would say without a doubt the game is over after the FTs.

Agree completely.

Now with the new rule, if you have knowledge they could put time on the clock. The problem is I do not think they had any knowledge of the clock status.

Agree completely.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by budjones05

Would you call a T on the team for celebrating a close game??? After time as expired??? Not to mention, that if any official didn't know how much time to be put back up on the clock, then it has to be game over. After the foul shots, then the game has to be over.

Hell no you do not give a T, unless you don't want to be an official anymore. Because they lined up with nobody on the line, that meant they concluded no time was left and therefore the game is over. I have no idea what they are discussing. They are probably caught in the correctable error logic in that, they probably should have had the teams line-up because there should be timed left on the clock, not to mention, giving a T in this situation, oh my, this could be very bad for them. I say game over, go home! Thanks to Snaqs, I now have definite knowledge that neither of us knew the status of the clock which means the game is over. I actually like that rule.

[btaylor64]

Why oh why wasn't the lead into position to referee that play, which I believe from tape, he called the play incorrectly. But forget that, he did call a foul, now why did the slot or the Trail not have the time?

[rainmaker]

Even so, if they'd decided that the time was all gone, and the one ft meant the game was over, shouldn't they just have gotten the heck out of dodge? Why are they all standing around? And then shouldn't they have given another ft? As someone else said, what a mess.

[blindzebra]

There was 1.5 seconds on the visable clock at the point of contact.

The clock can't be seen at the exact point the arm went up, but there was .4 on it when it was visable again after the call.

So much was wrong here, these guys were not ready for a game ending situation, nobody looked at the clock, lead had no excuse for not being on the endline, they had no idea what they should do with no time on the clock, they never got together before they shot the FT.

[Man In Blue]

I noticed that the losing coach came onto the floor (as well as his assitant) wanting a T called. Wouldn't he also get a T for a coaching box violation? (Again as well as his assistant)

My view- game over, go home and wait for the SH*T to hit the fan! Maybe consider a new vocation.

[Brad]

The only part that isn't horrible about this is the foul that was called -- but that was an easy, obvious call.

You have to put time back on the clock. At least 0.3 seconds -- maybe more, but you couldn't see the clock the entire video.

As played, they didn't put time back on the court, so when the kids makes the first free throw the game is over -- you can't call a technical for the team rushing the court when the game is over. This is no different than them rushing onto the court when the clock hits 0.0 and the buzzer sounds.

If you whistle a foul before the buzzer, put time back on the clock!

[truerookie]

I don't know. This entire situation imo stinks. The lead should have displayed a little more hustle to either get into postion and let the play come to him. I cannot say the amount of contact warranted a foul call in that situation because the level allowed the entire game I am not aware of. The situation was not good. It showed that there my not have been a thorough pre-game or discussion towards the end of the game on how to handle situation like the one which occurred.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Brad

The only part that isn't horrible about this is the foul that was called -- but that was an easy, obvious call.[/b]

Really? That was an obvious foul to you? A kid with his hands straight up and pretty much backing away from the offensive player who was trying to draw contact. It could possibly be a foul, don't get me wrong, but from that angle it was far from obvious, imo. Had he kept coming towards the offensive player and submarine him when he went up, that, I would have considered obvious.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Really? That was an obvious foul to you? A kid with his hands straight up and pretty much backing away from the offensive player who was trying to draw contact. It could possibly be a foul, don't get me wrong, but from that angle it was far from obvious, imo. Had he kept coming towards the offensive player and submarine him when he went up, that, I would have considered obvious.

Yes - very obvious imo. The kid body bumps the offensive player as he shoots and knocks him off balance and to the floor. Watch the defender's feet -- he is not backing away.

"Protect the shooter"

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Brad

Yes - very obvious imo. The kid body bumps the offensive player as he shoots and knocks him off balance and to the floor. Watch the defender's feet -- he is not backing away.

"Protect the shooter"

Agree. The defender put his hands up and then chested him. Good call on the foul despite the terrible position the L was in.

[JRutledge]

I disagree with this being an "obvious" foul. It might have been a foul, but that is up to the judgment of the official. The defender is allowed to get in the way of the defender. I think the shooter was a little out of control and caused some of the contact. I also do not think the lead was in the best position to make the call either way.

Peace

[just another ref]

Apparently the buzzer sounded? I didn't hear it.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by Brad

Yes - very obvious imo. The kid body bumps the offensive player as he shoots and knocks him off balance and to the floor. Watch the defender's feet -- he is not backing away.

"Protect the shooter"

What in the world do you mean by that? Sorry I see now that you were responding to an earlier post.