you make the call

[budjones05]

What would you do in this youtube video right here. Sorry if this has already been discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9wrdhQCNb4

[Mountaineer]

I've not seen this before so I'll comment.

Game over - head to the house. No time on the clock - you don't need to shoot the second FT - I'm not having a conference unless it's to discuss a pretty blonde in the 5th row.

[FrankHtown]

I agree with Mountaineer...One successful free throw ends the game.

However, the bigger problem was mechanics-wise. In three person, the lead had plenty of time to get set on the baseline to fairly judge the contact. Whether it was incidental or not I'm not going to judge. The lead was absolutely straight lined because he didn't hustle to get to the baseline to get a better angle. If I was the losing coach, that's what I would be complaining about, not the team coming on the floor.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Game over - head to the house. No time on the clock

There was clearly time on the clock when the whistle blew. The clock shows 0.3 when the shooter is already on the ground out of bounds. If any of the 3 officials observed the time before the clock hit zero, they should put that amount back up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

There was clearly time on the clock when the whistle blew. The clock shows 0.3 when the shooter is already on the ground out of bounds. If any of the 3 officials observed the time before the clock hit zero, they should put that amount back up.

they could guess, and put .9 back on.

[zebraman]

I agree about the lead positioning. If he would have hustled, he would have had a good look at the play instead of the straightline view.

No communication between the officials after the foul about how much time on the clock. Weird. Communicate and then make sure everyone knows if there is time left in regulation.

Then they decide to have a long conference after the free throws when the game is over? What a screwy deal. That crew needs a leader (an "R"). The technical foul was the official's fault. Teams didn't know that the game was not over because of the lack of communication.

Trail official should have had a GREAT look at the clock after the foul to be able to put the correct amount of time on the clock.

What a disaster in referee communication and teamwork.

[Vinski]

Comments on the block call? Seemed like LGP was never established and the defender moved in on the shooter at the end.

[FrankHtown]

It could be argued LGP was established near mid court. The defender had 2 feet on the floor and was facing the opponent. The ball handler never got head and shoulders past the defender, and the defender maintained a lateral movement. It could be argued the ball handler initiated the contact by going into the defender.

What a mess the whole thing was. The trail should have taken the play all the way in. He had the better angle than the lead, and the lead was, at best, guessing.

One they cleared the lane for the free throws, that told everybody that there was no time on the clock. One successful free throw and the game should have been over. Why did the referees delay after the successful free throw?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Vinski

Comments on the block call? Seemed like LGP was never established and the defender moved in on the shooter at the end.

LGP was established from what I can see on the video.

Defender had 2 feet onthe floor facing his opponent as he caught the ball.

L's position at the start of is fine. I agree he should have found a way to get to the baseline.

I didn't watch to the end but from what I saw I agree that there was time left, it should have been caught by someone and there should have been a conference to determine what happens before the game resumed.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

There was clearly time on the clock when the whistle blew. The clock shows 0.3 when the shooter is already on the ground out of bounds. If any of the 3 officials observed the time before the clock hit zero, they should put that amount back up.

I agree with that . . . they should - but they didn't. My comments were only about the incident that happened after time expired. And note that the coach didn't argue that time should have been put back on the clock - he should have been *****in about that instead of crying for a T that shouldn't be called.

[blindzebra]

There was 1.5 seconds on the visable clock at the point of contact.

The clock can't be seen at the exact point the arm went up, but there was .4 on it when it was visable again after the call.

So much was wrong here, these guys were not ready for a game ending situation, nobody looked at the clock, lead had no excuse for not being on the endline, they had no idea what they should do with no time on the clock, they never got together before they shot the FT.

[Man In Blue]

I noticed that the losing coach came onto the floor (as well as his assitant) wanting a T called. Wouldn't he also get a T for a coaching box violation? (Again as well as his assistant)

My view- game over, go home and wait for the SH*T to hit the fan! Maybe consider a new vocation.

[Brad]

The only part that isn't horrible about this is the foul that was called -- but that was an easy, obvious call.

You have to put time back on the clock. At least 0.3 seconds -- maybe more, but you couldn't see the clock the entire video.

As played, they didn't put time back on the court, so when the kids makes the first free throw the game is over -- you can't call a technical for the team rushing the court when the game is over. This is no different than them rushing onto the court when the clock hits 0.0 and the buzzer sounds.

If you whistle a foul before the buzzer, put time back on the clock!

[truerookie]

I don't know. This entire situation imo stinks. The lead should have displayed a little more hustle to either get into postion and let the play come to him. I cannot say the amount of contact warranted a foul call in that situation because the level allowed the entire game I am not aware of. The situation was not good. It showed that there my not have been a thorough pre-game or discussion towards the end of the game on how to handle situation like the one which occurred.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Brad

The only part that isn't horrible about this is the foul that was called -- but that was an easy, obvious call.[/b]

Really? That was an obvious foul to you? A kid with his hands straight up and pretty much backing away from the offensive player who was trying to draw contact. It could possibly be a foul, don't get me wrong, but from that angle it was far from obvious, imo. Had he kept coming towards the offensive player and submarine him when he went up, that, I would have considered obvious.