Philosophical discussion - should NF and NCAA rules be the same?

[rainmaker]

I'd rather see the differences in rules be between women and men, than between high school and college. I don't see any real reason for the difference between the age levels, but I like the idea that baseball and softball are two different games, and one is the women's game and one is the men's game (until the men get old and soft!) Why not do the same in basketball?

But then, I haven't done much college (unless you define zero as "much"), so as a ref, I don't know that my opinion counts for much. But the differences seem so minor that I don't see why they're significant. Still, I suppose the differences in the game between high school freshman and the Final Four ought to count for something.

[Boiler14]

I agree that the men's and women's game should be the same more so than HS vs. NCAA.

As a middle school AD and HS official, I think that money plays a role in some rules. Shot clock being one. I don't think there is a need for it in HS. I can see this as a administrative nightmare that would effect the officials. One more thing to keep an eye on is not going to make the officiating better.

As an aside, I think 35 seconds is too short of time. When the rule came out it was 45 and I personally liked that better.

Rules regarding the lights on the backboards and such are also asking a lot. Some schools have them, but I would say it is around 5% of the schools that I have officiated.

These are the only ones I can think of where cost .would come in...unless you want the HS floor lengthened to 94 feet. I'm happy at 84 feet myself.

I'd like to rebounding take place on the release and not on the rim for FT's once again in HS.

Since I don't work college I can't say it matters to me. Having worked a few games involving college rules during the summer once in a while, I can see where one can make a mistake easily.

When it comes to baseball, I'd ban aluminum bats at all levels.

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'd rather see the differences in rules be between women and men, than between high school and college. I don't see any real reason for the difference between the age levels, but I like the idea that baseball and softball are two different games, and one is the women's game and one is the men's game (until the men get old and soft!) Why not do the same in basketball?

But then, I haven't done much college (unless you define zero as "much"), so as a ref, I don't know that my opinion counts for much. But the differences seem so minor that I don't see why they're significant. Still, I suppose the differences in the game between high school freshman and the Final Four ought to count for something.

I agree 150% with you. To me, the game is different from men and women basketball. Yes, college is a lot faster, but the kids are bigger and stronger.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by budjones05

I agree 150% with you. To me, the game is different from men and women basketball. Yes, college is a lot faster, but the kids are bigger and stronger.

First of all, you can't agree 150%. 100% is the maximum.

I think what you are referring to is calling the game a little different based on the ability and strength of the players. I agree with that, but you can do that under the same set of rules.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zebraman

First of all, you can't agree 150%. 100% is the maximum.

I agree 118%.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I agree 118%.

Go to your room.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I agree 118%.

As long as you guys don't start agreeing in metric percentages, I'm OK with it.

[Mountaineer]

I think (if I'm not mistaken) that NFHS and NCAA women's are very similar . . . or so I've been told. I think (again, if I'm not mistaken) that Mary Struckoff is over both - so that would make sense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I think (if I'm not mistaken) that NFHS and NCAA women's are very similar . . . or so I've been told. I think (again, if I'm not mistaken) that Mary Struckoff is over both - so that would make sense.

This would be completely wrong. For one thing the NCAA Women's game does not have a 10 second back court rule and the closely guarded rule does not at all reflect the NF rule. Let us not get into the way Ts are handled and other little interpretations.

I feel that all these levels need to stay different. For one thing, NCAA Men's and NCAA Women's are two different games. This is like comparing Baseball to Softball. The games style is played a little differently and the expectations of each game are different. I would not agree that all levels should be that similar. First of all let us understand the rules of basketball are really not that different anyway. The rules that are different are in many cases very minor and do not come up unless you have a usual situation. Also let us understand that each level has a different set of concerns that you will not see at another level. NCAA games have bigger, faster and stronger players on both sides of the isle. The NF game is about safety and simplicity. If you started adopting NCAA rules, you would confuse the average player or coach and you would not put into account that many players at the NF level are not as talented to do the things that NCAA rules were created for.

Keep the levels separate. I do not think many of us would like to see many NBA rules at the NF level. So why would we want NCAA rules (which are not the same between Men’s and Women’s) when some of those rules would only cause other problems we cannot yet imagine.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'd rather see the differences in rules be between women and men, than between high school and college.

Wow! Talk about blatant sexism!

Whatever happened to equal rights and all that stuff?

Sad day for all of those brave visionaries and pioneers who once burned their bras.......

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wow! Talk about blatant sexism!

Whatever happened to equal rights and all that stuff?

Sad day for all of those brave visionaries and pioneers who once burned their bras.......

I see one smilie and one frownie. Are you serious or joking?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I see one smilie and one frownie. Are you serious or joking?

Yes.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes.

yea, that's what I figured.