Best way to approach a referee

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not compare the NBA summer league with a local HS or youth league in any way. For the most part summer league rules are created by a coach. Coaches might think of how they want something to go, but they do not consider all the possibilities of the rules as an official unless they have some background on a rules committee. I am not sure what you are expecting?

I have worked multiple leagues and tournaments whether it is for pay or whether it was at a camp, all rules and variation of the rules were completely different. The NF or the NCAA does not have sectioned summer league rules and games played in my state are not under a uniformed set of rules for the summer. The rules are going to change based on the objective of each league or tournament and that usually falls at the feet of the tournament director (who is often a coach).

I am really not sure what you expect to happen in cases like this?

Peace

It's a when in Rome thing, then.

In the summer leagues/tournaments/etc... that I've done, the rules are laid out quite well. Even for the summer football league I play in, a casebook was created!

Of course the NF or NCAA doesn't have a summer league rule. Why would they? They have a tough enough time managing one ruleset.

Regardless of the objective of the league, if a rule is not clear, it is open to interpretation. Thank God in 2 other leagues I'm involved with, our officiating group writes the league's rules differences and has the league approve them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

It's a when in Rome thing, then.

In the summer leagues/tournaments/etc... that I've done, the rules are laid out quite well. Even for the summer football league I play in, a casebook was created!

You really are making this waaaaayyyyyy too complicated. We are talking about leagues where kids play in warm-up jerseys with absolutely no numbers. And in most cases players cannot even foul out of a game. Most leagues that I have seen in my state and in other states when I have attended camp, was to allow the players an opportunity to play against competition so they can improve individually or as a team.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Regardless of the objective of the league, if a rule is not clear, it is open to interpretation. Thank God in 2 other leagues I'm involved with, our officiating group writes the league's rules differences and has the league approve them.

Once again you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I have never been in a summer league where any association has any kind of say as to how a league or tournament is run during the summer or off season. These leagues are sponsored by the schools and any other business that wants to provide money to help run the league. I am really kind of curious why anyone would want to have such a standardize rules set for something that is basically practice. I have been involved with leagues that did not want any dunking period. That is not apart of any normal rule, but the school did not want kids damaging their equipment. I bet that the TD is not going to make a big deal out of this at all. If this was a problem, they should have got it resolved before the game was over. After that most TD are not going to ultimately care that deeply about the results. AAU has more standardization in most cases.

Peace

[dkmz17]

Educate me, please.

Isn't the statement "Clock does not restart until it would in a normal dead ball situation" a clear one? Tell me what I am missing.

BTW, in all other summer league games I have been involved in with this situation, the clock would not have started until it was touched after a miss or touched inbounds after a made free throw.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

Educate me, please.

Isn't the statement "Clock does not restart until it would in a normal dead ball situation" a clear one? Tell me what I am missing.

BTW, in all other summer league games I have been involved in with this situation, the clock would not have started until it was touched after a miss or touched inbounds after a made free throw.

The guy got it wrong. Are you going to lose sleep all summer because of that one call? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you lost the game. But you didn't lose because of that one thing. It was a summer league game. Get over it.

[dkmz17]

No, we did not lose the game. But it does rub me the wrong way when an official flatly refuses to calmly discuss a rule that does not appear to be a judgment call.

Accordingly, I was/am seeking advice from informed and thoughtful referees, which most on this site appear to be, save one OS. Most responses have been a great help, thank you.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

No, we did not lose the game. But it does rub me the wrong way when an official flatly refuses to calmly discuss a rule that does not appear to be a judgment call.

Accordingly, I was/am seeking advice from informed and thoughtful referees, which most on this site appear to be, save one OS. Most responses have been a great help, thank you.

Just curious. Is the coaching gig just a summer thing for you or are you also a high school coach in the regular season as well?

[dkmz17]

A summer thing only.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

No, we did not lose the game. But it does rub me the wrong way when an official flatly refuses to calmly discuss a rule that does not appear to be a judgment call.

What else was he going to discuss with you? He told you what the rule was as he saw it. Not much else to discuss. And discussing the rule was not going to likely change his mind if he felt he was right.

Originally Posted by dkmz17

A summer thing only.

That does explain a lot. Do not take that as a rip, you just do not have the same perspective as many coaches do during the summer.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

Educate me, please.

Isn't the statement "Clock does not restart until it would in a normal dead ball situation" a clear one? Tell me what I am missing.

Please educate me. You have your answer, now what do you want us to do about it? None of us were there and none of us likely have ever worked that league. Take this up with the TD and see if they it is going to make a difference. This is a summer league. I have almost every summer had a conversation with a coach or player over a confusing rule that would only happen during summer.

Originally Posted by dkmz17

BTW, in all other summer league games I have been involved in with this situation, the clock would not have started until it was touched after a miss or touched inbounds after a made free throw.

Well the problem with summer leagues is they are all different. I bet I have officiated in many different summer leagues as anyone here not one was the same. I am sure this was why the confusion you had with the official and I bet the official had worked in a league that used the rules as he informed you.

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Peace