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Dan_ref · #**211** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 11:47am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

Do you realize that "Lest ye be judged" means "if you don't want to be judged by others?" "Judge not" is not a commandment, it is a warning. It means "Watch out, you may not realize what you're getting yourself into" Apt words for OS who brought the whole subject up in the first place!

You also should realize that "Judging" in the context originally written, didn't mean "to discriminate between right and wrong". It meant "to impose final sentence". So "Judge not lest ye be judged" meant, "You can't know who's going to Hell and who's not, so you'd better not treat anyone as a Hellion". It was never intended to mean, "Don't ever tell anyone what they're doing is wrong, or against God's law". Rather we need to judge right and wrong, but not consign anyone to the ranks of hopeless or automatically condemned.

I'm willing to do that myself, by the way. I might tell you you're wrong, wrong, wrong in certain actions, but I'll never write you off or condemn you. You'll have to set that up for yourself! (I don't mean you personally Jim, just whoever is out there).

Actually I believe Mountaineer's a bit closer to the truth here as I understand it anyways Juulie. I think it amounts to "he who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" (or maybe better for this discussion "he who is without sin cast the first stone"). But we certainly agree on the larger point that it does not mean do not judge, period.

And before the mods get nervous this *is* a rules discussion.

WhistlesAndStripes · #**212** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:03pm

OK, so now that religious discussion has been allowed back into this forum, can we start discussion race too?

rainmaker · #**213** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:03pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Actually I believe Mountaineer's a bit closer to the truth here as I understand it anyways Juulie. I think it amounts to "he who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" (or maybe better for this discussion "he who is without sin cast the first stone"). But we certainly agree on the larger point that it does not mean do not judge, period.

And before the mods get nervous this *is* a rules discussion.

Yea, for the purposes of this discussion, I see your point. I guess I was addressing a different theological issue, which can arise from this saying.

It's interesting to see this in a basketball light. We help the game when we call fouls as being simply illegal actions, and not as "judgments" on people. This is why we work to call technical fouls as fouls and not as emotional, showy attacks. We have to judge in the sense of discriminating between "right" and "wrong", in the context of the basketball game, but we can do it without judging in the sense of attacking or insulting the offender. We usually say this by saying "Will the T make the game better?" and by talking abourt avoiding a retributive attitude.

Is that enough, mods, to keep this discussion of scripture from being cut out of this thread?

rainmaker · #**214** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

OK, so now that religious discussion has been allowed back into this forum, can we start discussion race too?

I will judge your behavior as "right" or "wrong" but I won't judge you by being insulting or retributive:

I hope not!

Dan_ref · #**215** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

OK, so now that religious discussion has been allowed back into this forum, can we start discussion race too?

Sure, I'll kick it off.

Why don't you "race" back to your cave and leave we humans alone?

Adam · #**216** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:16pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

OK, so now that religious discussion has been allowed back into this forum, can we start discussion race too?

I wasn't aware NASCAR was off limits here.

BLydic · #**217** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

OK, so now that religious discussion has been allowed back into this forum, can we start discussion race too?

See post #193

You're a little late.

M&M Guy · #**218** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 27, 2007, 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'm willing to do that myself, by the way. I might tell you you're wrong, wrong, wrong in certain actions, but I'll never write you off or condemn you. You'll have to set that up for yourself! (I don't mean you personally Jim, just whoever is out there).

Hey! How'd I get dragged into this? Just remember, I'm not the one who lists "hell" as his place of residence...

...sniff...sniff...I feel so...

...judged...

You just don't like me because of the color of my shirt.