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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Do you realize that "Lest ye be judged" means "if you don't want to be judged by others?" "Judge not" is not a commandment, it is a warning. It means "Watch out, you may not realize what you're getting yourself into" Apt words for OS who brought the whole subject up in the first place!
You also should realize that "Judging" in the context originally written, didn't mean "to discriminate between right and wrong". It meant "to impose final sentence". So "Judge not lest ye be judged" meant, "You can't know who's going to Hell and who's not, so you'd better not treat anyone as a Hellion". It was never intended to mean, "Don't ever tell anyone what they're doing is wrong, or against God's law". Rather we need to judge right and wrong, but not consign anyone to the ranks of hopeless or automatically condemned.
I'm willing to do that myself, by the way. I might tell you you're wrong, wrong, wrong in certain actions, but I'll never write you off or condemn you. You'll have to set that up for yourself! (I don't mean you personally Jim, just whoever is out there).
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Actually I believe Mountaineer's a bit closer to the truth here as I understand it anyways Juulie. I think it amounts to "he who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" (or maybe better for this discussion "he who is without sin cast the first stone"). But we certainly agree on the larger point that it does not mean do not judge, period.
And before the mods get nervous this *is* a rules discussion.