First Forfeit

[Mark Padgett]

One thing I have used in the past at "rec" games to get results from reluctant coaches after their first T is to tell them that if they don't knock it off, they will be ejected, we will end the game and tell all the kids the reason they can't play any more basketball today is because that coach couldn't behave themselves and to be sure to tell their parents how they feel about that.

Of course, this doesn't have real "teeth" if they have an assistant who can take over.

[Smitty]

I think the situation was handled just fine. You were trying to do everything you could do to avoid a forfeit. I just got done working one of those big invitational tournaments where there were dozens of college coaches watching the games to plan their recruiting. The last thing you want is to have a forfeit when you've got coaches who have travelled from all over the country to watch these kids play. That's what it's all about - and the assignors certainly don't want you to declare a forfeit unless you've done everything you can do to avoid it.

It's easy to point fingers and say you'd do it differently when you weren't there. I know it would be a tough spot and it was unfortunate that it had to overshadow the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I think the situation was handled just fine. You were trying to do everything you could do to avoid a forfeit. I just got done working one of those big invitational tournaments where there were dozens of college coaches watching the games to plan their recruiting. The last thing you want is to have a forfeit when you've got coaches who have travelled from all over the country to watch these kids play. That's what it's all about - and the assignors certainly don't want you to declare a forfeit unless you've done everything you can do to avoid it.

It's easy to point fingers and say you'd do it differently when you weren't there. I know it would be a tough spot and it was unfortunate that it had to overshadow the game.

I think you are missing the point. No one said the forfeit was not warranted. People are saying that the amount of warnings and passing on bad behavior might have lead to the over all situation. I agree that summer or off season games we try to be a little more tolerant. Even in a camp setting, I know the campers want to see action taken when coaches behave out of control.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Smitty

That's what it's all about - and the assignors certainly don't want you to declare a forfeit unless you've done everything you can do to avoid it.

I'm an assignor. I know of very few assignors, if any, that would approve of the way that this situation was handled.

When any coach directly challenges you like this one did, you're gonna have to do something about it. That's part of your job. You can't walk away from that responsibility.

[Boiler14]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm an assignor. I know of very few assignors, if any, that would approve of the way that this situation was handled.

When any coach directly challenges you like this one did, you're gonna have to do something about it. That's part of your job. You can't walk away from that responsibility.

I guess that makes two of us.

I guess I didn't feel challenged because I knew what the result was going to be if she didn't comply. Having said this, I know where you are coming from and agree the job had to be done.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I think the situation was handled just fine. You were trying to do everything you could do to avoid a forfeit.

I'm thinking the coaches know why their players are at these exposure things just as the officials do and they are at least as obligated as we are to keep the games moving so the coaches can see their players.

In the OP's sitch I read that this coach decided to create a confrontation between her and the officials. How best to deal with that? You can talk to her and take all sorts of stupid behavior and be the nice guy. Me? I would have banged her a second time after she made it plain she refused to sit down and let her assistant take over. The game would have stopped until she left and I would have made it clear to both benches and the table what we're waiting for.

And no one forfeits anything.