REFEREE mag July 2007 test

[RefLarry]

According to the magazine the NFHS answer is " a,c,d,e "(same answer for NCAA men). The NCAA Women answer is "a,c,e."

[RefLarry]

What is incorrect about Mark Padgett's comments about answer "b"?

[Joel Poli]

In A, the ball is not "dead" until the airborne shooter is no longer airborne. I think that "A" is a true statement

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Joel Poli

In A, the ball is not "dead" until the airborne shooter is no longer airborne. I think that "A" is a true statement

Wrong. The ball is dead when it goes through the basket, as per NFHS rule 6-7-1.

Also NFHS rule 4-19-1 says--"A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead."

[Joel Poli]

J.R.
This is what I was reading:
SECTION 7 DEAD BALL
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 1 . . . A goal, as in 5-1, is made.
ART. 2 . . . It is apparent the free throw will not be successful on a:
a. Free throw which is to be followed by another free throw.
b. Free throw which is to be followed by a throw-in.
ART. 3 . . . A held ball occurs, or the ball lodges between the backboard and ring or comes to rest on the flange.
ART. 4 . . . A player-control or team-control foul occurs.
ART. 5 . . . An official's whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).
ART. 6 . . . Time expires for a quarter or extra period (see exception a below).
ART. 7 . . . A foul, other than player- or team-control, occurs (see exceptions a, b and c below).
ART. 8 . . . A free-throw violation by the throwing team, as in 9-1, occurs.
ART. 9 . . . A violation, as in 9-2 through 13, occurs (see exception d below).
EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
b. Article 5 or 7 occurs while a try for a free throw is in flight.c. Article 7 occurs by any opponent of a player who has started a try or tap for goal (is in the act of shooting) before the foul occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight. The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in the player's hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is completed when the ball is clearly in flight. The trying motion may include arm, foot or body movements used by the player when throwing the ball at his/her basket.
d. Article 9 as in 9-3-2 or 9-13-1, occurs by an opponent.
NOTE: If A1's try or tap is legally touched in flight, the goal counts if made, if the horn sounds before or after the legal touching. If the touching is interference or goaltending by A, no points are scored. If B violates, the points are awarded – either two or three depending on whether it was a two or three-point try or tap.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Joel Poli

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

Yep, that's the right rule. You are just misreading it. Let's say that the ball passes through the basket, thus ending the try BEFORE the airborne shooter returns to the floor. When do you think that the ball becomes dead?
In this case it is when the try ended because that happened first.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Joel Poli

J.R.
This is what I was reading:
SECTION 7 DEAD BALL
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 1 . . . A goal, as in 5-1, is made.

ART. 7 . . . A foul, other than player- or team-control, occurs (see exceptions a, b and c below).

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
b. Article 5 or 7 occurs while a try for a free throw is in flight.

Joel, rule 6-7-1 says that the ball is dead when a goal is made. That goal may be a try or a free throw. Note that the EXCEPTIONS that you cited above hold true ONLY while a try for a field goal or free throw is STILL in the air when a foul occurs. They don't apply to a foul by or on an airborne shooter that occurs AFTER a goal is made and the ball is dead. Rule 4-19-1, as already cited, covers that.

[GonetoRef]

Before every technical foul is called, you blow your whistle...hence the ball is dead.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GonetoRef

Before every technical foul is called, you blow your whistle...hence the ball is dead.

That's not true in cases where a "T" is called while a try or a free throw is in flight, or if the "T" is called on an opponent of a player who is in the trying motion. The ball remains live in those cases until the shot is either made or missed. NFHS rule 6-7-7EXCEPTIONa,b,c.

[GonetoRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's not true in cases where a "T" is called while a try or a free throw is in flight, or if the "T" is called on an opponent of a player who is in the trying motion. The ball remains live in those cases until the shot is either made or missed. NFHS rule 6-7-7EXCEPTIONa,b,c.

Then your previous post about a technical foul not being called during a live ball is incorrect???

[GonetoRef]

Originally Posted by GonetoRef

Then your previous post about a technical foul not being called during a live ball is incorrect???

My mistake... I misread your previous post...sorry