2007-08 Major Mechanics Changes

[Nevadaref]

The NFHS just posted these mechanics changes. What do people think of them?
The first one matches the NCAA rule. The second reverts back to the way it used to be done by the NFHS and has always been done by IAABO, since that group never changed. The final one goes against previous advice of not leaving the ball on the floor unattended.



2007-08 MAJOR MECHANICS CHANGES

211; 321: The referee may designate the official to administer the jump ball to start the game or overtime.

273; 275; Diagram 29: Crew of Two Only: Change the time-out and intermission positions so that the administering official will stand where play will be resumed and the non-administering official will stand, facing the table, on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30-second time-out or intermission).

273; 378: During a time-out or intermission, the administering official may set the ball down on the floor where play will be resumed if movement is necessary away from the spot to communicate with the table/partner(s).

[JRutledge]

I do not like the last one basically because HS cheerleaders are not smart enough to look at the ball on the floor.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not like the last one basically because HS cheerleaders are not smart enough to look at the ball on the floor.

Absolutely agree. Or you'll get some smart-aleck who tries to hide the ball or knocks it under the bleachers.

The time-out mechanic is also absolutely the right way to do it for a "crew of two". If we want to be communicators, that is surely the way to accomplish that during the time-out.

[eyezen]

My take...

First one:

In reality it shouldn't matter because all three should be able to toss a ball striaght up the air between two dudes (or dudettes).

It could add a tad of confusion to a noob who's looking at some pregame material where it's specifically laid out where who stands where.

My association assigns the R,U1,U2 positions, but when working out of assoc. games it's usually one of two scenarios: Whoever can say "Hey you want to toss?" first or it's RPS on the way out to the floor.

It's my understanding that in college it's always assigned and the R take a higher proflile role on the crew.

Second one:

Again I don't care so long as it doesn't change again next year. ;-)

Why you ask?

Because for instance my association is an iaabo board, but during our mechanics session, it was demonstrated that we were to use the NFHS mechanic (block,key) on two man time outs. OK thats they way we're going to do it.

Well myself only been around long enough to know the "new" (old?) way I never was ingrained with the "old" (new?) way. Whenever I'd get with a vet I would pregame which way he'd want to go...9 out of 10 "yea yea lets do it the right way and do the "new" (old?) way.

OK we're doing it the "new" (old?) way tonight.

And what would you know 50% of the time he'd do it the "old" (new?) way anyways out of habit.

It didn't matter I'd just fill in either way.

I will say as far as which way is better...I'd say the "old" (new?) is slightly better as having the ball at the throw in spot has definite merit.

Guys should be smart enough (or not see above :-) to be able to adjust between the two mechanics depending on working two or three men, which I'm sure was the original reasoning behind the switch in the first place, to try to keep it consistent between the two.

Heck I confused myself just typing this reply...I can imagine what our meeting is going to be like :-0

[truerookie]

I like the new mechanic changes.

[bob jenkins]

I support the latter two changes and disagree with the first.

[Camron Rust]

All good!

I'm very glad they reverted to the administering official going to the throwin spot (or FT line if it's a FT) and the other going to the division line. It makes SO much more sense than what we've had the last 2-3 years.


Sitting the ball down...fine...but that could open things up for pranks. Colleges and NBA have security to deal with such problems. Most HS's don't (or don't have enough to be of any immediate use or deterent).

[TRef21]

Remember guys these are guidelines.... we must use common sense. If you need to set the ball down and see some problem may occur pick it up, get out of the way and resume play when intermission activity is over... Let play or what ever action that occurs duing the intermission dictate what you need to do.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Remember guys these are guidelines.... we must use common sense. If you need to set the ball down and see some problem may occur pick it up, get out of the way and resume play when intermission activity is over... Let play or what ever action that occurs duing the intermission dictate what you need to do.

Common sense or not, I am not putting the ball down. I think this is a silly mechanic and unnecessary. Just hold on the ball as usual. I do not need to put the ball down in the exact spot to let others know where the ball it. Also unless you are talking with your partners I do not see the need for this mechanic.

Peace

[JohnBark]

don't like the first change at all

and where are you going to stand if when the timeout is called and the ball is in front of the bench? i guess you become part of that team's huddle right? that will be fun if the coach is upset with you. and then what happens if the other team's coach has a question and you set the ball down and the other team breaks their huddle the kicks the ball acrossed the court? not to mention the cheerleaders mentioned in a previous post.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

and where are you going to stand if when the timeout is called and the ball is in front of the bench? i guess you become part of that team's huddle right?

Back up onto the court a few steps - no need to overthink the situation.

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Back up onto the court a few steps - no need to overthink the situation.

i know...but, then you aren't doing what the NFHS is asking you to do...LOL

overthinking the situation, who? me? hah...just having some fun...it's the off season!

[tomegun]

Can someone give some rationale for not liking, or caring about, the first mechanic change?
This has been a mechanic in college ball for a while and who cares! If the R wants to toss he/she will toss, if they don't they won't. If we (all) take pride in our toss, all officials will be prepared.

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Can someone give some rationale for not liking, or caring about, the first mechanic change?
This has been a mechanic in college ball for a while and who cares! If the R wants to toss he/she will toss, if they don't they won't. If we (all) take pride in our toss, all officials will be prepared.

tomegun, i asked that of the veteran guys that have asked me to work with them this past year...every time they ask me to work with them last season, i tossed...finally i asked and the only thing i could come up with is they don't like giving the pre-game speak and risking looking bad with a poor toss...personally, i don't mind doing the pre-game speech or tossing...i've been luckily in my short career of officiating of NOT having one blown dead for a retoss...i have blown 2 dead in the same game for a NOT SO VERTICAL toss...i was laughing so hard because the 1st one was tossed to the visitor's side of the court and then my partner over corrected and tossed it to the home's side of the court before getting it straight...that being said, I would say they just don't want to look bad for a poor toss or give a bad pre-game speech...just my 2 cents...!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

don't like the first change at all

and where are you going to stand if when the timeout is called and the ball is in front of the bench? i guess you become part of that team's huddle right? that will be fun if the coach is upset with you. and then what happens if the other team's coach has a question and you set the ball down and the other team breaks their huddle the kicks the ball acrossed the court? not to mention the cheerleaders mentioned in a previous post.

Good grief.

Some people can find a problem anywhere they look.

It says you "may" do it. It does NOT say you "have" to do it.

The mechanic for standing out on the floor away, from the bench, when the ball is going to be put in play in front of the bench has not changed.