Correctable error???

[Kelvin green]

Cany find my rule boohs and cant get to the NFHS site.. so here is the play. happened last night in a summer league. (not my game)

Team A has ball for throw-in with 1.7 second left to go in a 36-36 ball game.

A1 has ball for throwin. A2 pushes on throw-in before abll is caught inbounds and is called for a foul. Official mistakenly calls it team control and gives Team b for throw-in. Team B throws ball in, buzzer goes off. The scorer notifies the official that there shoold have been a 1&1.

Is this correctable/

I will tell you what they after I figure out the ruling.

[Nevadaref]

Yes, the error of failing to award merited FTs is still correctable. If by "buzzer goes off" you mean that the period ending horn sounded for the 4th quarter with the score tied at 36, then the first FT gets attempted with the lane cleared and if it successful the game is over, if it is missed then an extra period will be played.

[truerookie]

As Nevada stated, the error is correctable. The actions were part of the 4th period thus requiring the player who got push by to shoot free-throws.

[SamIAm]

So was the mistake, calling it team control (an error in judgement),
or not knowing the foul count? What was it the scorer said to make it a 1&1 situation?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

So was the mistake, calling it team control (an error in judgement),
or not knowing the foul count? What was it the scorer said to make it a 1&1 situation?

As I read it - it wasn't an "error in judgement" calling the team control foul, but rather a misapplication of a rule. In NFHS, team control does not exist during a throw-in, so any common fouls that occur by the offense are penalized with whatever bonus FT's are in effect at that time. Therefore, it falls under the correctable error guidelines as "failing to award merited free throws".

If the game was being played under NCAA rules, they would've called it correctly because there is team control during a throw-in.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

As I read it - it wasn't an "error in judgement" calling the team control foul, but rather a misapplication of a rule. In NFHS, team control does not exist during a throw-in, so any common fouls that occur by the offense are penalized with whatever bonus FT's are in effect at that time. Therefore, it falls under the correctable error guidelines as "failing to award merited free throws".

There are cases in which "team control" is subject to judgment. For example when one official calls an offensive foul off the ball and there is a try: it is necessary to decide whether the foul was before or after the try. Such a decision cannot be questioned for a correctable error, because it is a judgment call. That's why in FIBA the "team control" punch signal is repeated when reporting the foul, so that it is clear why no free throws will be shot.

In the OP situation I agree that it is a correctable error: the rule clearly states that there is no team control.

In FIBA there is team control during a throw-in, so we wouldn't have shot free throws.

Ciao

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

So was the mistake, calling it team control (an error in judgement),
or not knowing the foul count? What was it the scorer said to make it a 1&1 situation?

The mistake (error) is failure to award a merited free throw.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The mistake (error) is failure to award a merited free throw.

How do you know that? The mistake may have been the judgement that it was a team control foul. Kelvin Green will have to answer the "what was the mistake and what did the scorer say that indicates free-throws were missed.


As M&M reads the OP, I agree, but I am still curious about what happened.