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[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The violation for "batting the ball in the air and touching it again before it hit the ground." Illegal dribble.

Yep, that too.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Actually the OP says he JUMPED and caught the ball while in the air and then shot it before landing...

Yeah, but he jumped after taking several steps.

exactly what violation will you call?

Not sure. I'd blow my whistle, give the stop clock signal and yell "4-15-2!!" Think anybody would argue?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Yeah, but he jumped after taking several steps.

Not sure. I'd blow my whistle, give the stop clock signal and yell "4-15-2!!" Think anybody would argue?

I would.

Just on principle, because you're such a big Sammy Sosa fan.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What about it? It tells us when the dribble ended. Great. But M&M Guy's cite tells us that play is a violation. He ended the dribble by violating.

What violation? Rules citation please?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What violation? Rules citation please?

...sigh...

4-15-2.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Illegal dribble, per 4-15-2. Remember, his jump, catch and shot was after the bat over the defender's head. It would've been legal if the ball hit the ground first.

Riddle me this, Batman.....

Rule 4-15-4(b) says that "the dribble ends when the player palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands". Is that a violation per se?

Also.....casebook play 4.15.4SitE(b) that you and the Scrappy One are so happy to cite (almost to the point of orgasm) uses rule 9-5 as the relevant rules reference. And what does rule 9-5 say, you ask? That one says that it's illegal to DRIBBLE a SECOND time after the first dribble has ENDED. In the play being discussed, did anybody dribble a second time after ending their dribble? Scrappy? M? Beuller?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Riddle me this, Batman.....

This is why I'm Batman, and you're only Robin.

I believe this is from the original post:

Originally Posted by KCRef

Had a player last night dribbling up the court for a 1 on 1 break. Right before he got to the defender, he lobbed (batted) the ball up to himself around the defender (not a shot), took a few steps then jumped and caught the ball in the air, and shot it before returning to the ground. The ball did not hit the floor before he caught his own pass either. Is this legal?

Isn't this exactly a violation of 4-15-2?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

This is why I'm Batman, and you're only Robin.

I believe this is from the original post:


Isn't this exactly a violation of 4-15-2?

Is 4-15-2 a violation?

Are you also saying that 4-15-4(b) is a violation also?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Is 4-15-2 a violation?

Um, no, but the play mentioned is a violation of that particular rule, because the ball was not allowed to hit the ground after the bat in the air.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you also saying that 4-15-4(b) is a violation also?

Originally Posted by Someone like Dan_ref

WTF are you talking about?? Where did I say that??

I'll be a little milder - I don't believe I said anything about a double dribble violation. I have said all along, (and only said) the play is a violation of 4-15-2.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

blah blah....

WTF are you talking about?? Where did I say that??!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I'll be a little milder - I don't believe I said anything about a double dribble violation. I have said all along, (and only said) the play is a violation of 4-15-2.

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

You, my crusty old friend, are wandering into Nevada territory to defend yourself.

Why not stop talking, stand in line for the buffet lunch, then head home.

It's been fun, time to call it a day.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

Maybe you need to get your prescription checked. Here, let me help:

WTF are you talking about??? I never said 4-15-2 was a violation. I said the play was a violation because it did not meet the criteria of a legal dribble outlined in 4-15-2!!!

Ahh...I feel better now.

I'm gonna go play some softball. And probably get struck by lightning, from the looks of it.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Illegal dribble, per 4-15-2. Remember, his jump, catch and shot was after the bat over the defender's head. It would've been legal if the ball hit the ground first.

4-15-2 states what is allowed and says that, if you do that, you can continue to dribble.

Note that the illegal dribble rule (9-5) states that you can't dribble a second time after ending your first dribble. There's no penalty for a "funky" move that ends your dribble.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are all of the things listed under 4-15 explicitly violations? Or are they "definitions" that are used to call violations outlined in rule 9?

Are 4-15-1,3,4,5&6 violations?

I have to agree - the violations are in rule 9.