A couple of questions

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

Ok, I get it now. That's because there is no team or player control on a throw-in, correct?




I'm getting caught up on this one. I'm having trouble finding in the rule book where it defines a team control foul. My (limited) understanding is that when Team A is in control, illegal contact off the ball which is penalized is a team control foul. Thus, a intentional or flagrant foul off the ball would also be considered a team-control foul.

Where am I messing up?

Thanks.

DC,

I don't have my book with me, but I might check the definitions of all the fouls, and if I recall correctly, somewhere in there it will say that team-control doesn't apply to those fouls. Perhaps look under the definition of team control.

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

DC,

I don't have my book with me, but I might check the definitions of all the fouls, and if I recall correctly, somewhere in there it will say that team-control doesn't apply to those fouls. Perhaps look under the definition of team control.

Not seeing what you're describing. Here's how 4-19-3 and -4 read:

ART. 3 .... An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul which....

ART. 4 .... A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature....

Then, a team-control foul is defined simply as:

ART. 7 .... A team-control foul is a common foul committed by a member of the team that has control.

Okay, the lightbulb just turned on. If it is an intentional or flagrant foul, it's not a "common foul" as ART. 7 describes. Thus, by definition, it can't be a team-control foul.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

Okay, the lightbulb just turned on. If it is an intentional or flagrant foul, it's not a "common foul" as ART. 7 describes. Thus, by definition, it can't be a team-control foul.

That's exactly right. Team control foul is a common foul. It's the same as if the dribbler punched a defender. Yes, there's player control; but it's not a PC foul, because it's not a common foul, it's a flagrant foul.