Bonehead play of the week.

[OHBBREF]

Boys AAU 17 under Super Pool
Division Pool Play

Team B just scored to bring the score to 60- 56 team A leading with 00:14:06 to play.Team B called time out after the score.
Resumptiion of play
Team A's ball to inbound on the base line with the ability to run the end line.
A2 and B3 are jostling for position just sort of banging bodies a little (B3 has about a 4 inch height advantage on A2 and wants to keep between him and the ball) - I still have the ball and I am just getting ready to step in and stop the jostling for position when A2 looks up to B3 and nails him in the side with an elbow that disables him for a second.
I put the whistle in my mouth give it a tweet, make sure we do not have any retaliation and head to the table ...?
What do you have?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I still have the ball and I am just getting ready to step in and stop the jostling for position when A2 looks up to B3 and nails him in the side with an elbow that disables him for a second.
I put the whistle in my mouth give it a tweet, make sure we do not have any retaliation and head to the table ...?
What do you have?

There are only 2 choices under NFHS rules. An intentional technical foul or a flagrant technical foul. Your choice. NFHS rule 4-19-5(c).

Same call and choices under NCAA rules--NCAA rules 4-26-5&7.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There are only 2 choices under NFHS rules. An intentional technical foul or a flagrant technical foul. Your choice. NFHS rule 4-19-5(c).

Same call and choices under NCAA rules--NCAA rules 4-26-5&7.

Is that right JR? I thought intentional technical was only NCAA mens. For NFHS, you can only have technical or flagrant technical. In NCAA, you could have technical, intentional technical, or flagrant technical.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

For NFHS, you can only have technical or flagrant technical. In NCAA, you could have technical, intentional technical, or flagrant technical.

NFHS - Intentional Technical or Flagrant Technical

NCAA - Same (because there is contact it cannot be a technical by itself)

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

NFHS - Intentional Technical or Flagrant Technical

NCAA - Same (because there is contact it cannot be a technical by itself)

Pardon my correction, but...

NCAAM - Same
NCAAW - Flagrant technical is the only choice. (There is no intentional technical in NCAAW.)

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Lotto

Pardon my correction, but...

NCAAM - Same
NCAAW - Flagrant technical is the only choice. (There is no intentional technical in NCAAW.)

While you're correct that NCAA-W doesn't have an intentional technical foul, you can still call a "regular" technical foul in this situation:


Rule 10-7:
Art. 3. (Women) A direct technical foul is also a non-flagrant foul by any
player that involves contact or causes contact with an opponent while the
ball is dead.

[OHBBREF]

I go to the table issue the Flagrant Technical Foul, because the player looked right at him and then nailed him,
both free throws were made
Team B scored to tie it and we went to overtime.
Team A came from behind in overtime to win by 5 points 70 - 65,
Team A coach had no problem with the call it was one of those where everyone in the gym saw it happen because it was the only action going on on the floor at the time.

The game had approximately 55 fouls w/two technicals including this one.
5 players fouled out.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

Is that right JR? I thought intentional technical was only NCAA mens. For NFHS, you can only have technical or flagrant technical. In NCAA, you could have technical, intentional technical, or flagrant technical.

NFHS rule 4-19-3 says "An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul......".

NFHS rule 4-19-4 says "A technical foul is an intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead....."

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

NFHS rule 4-19-3 says "An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul......".

NFHS rule 4-19-4 says "A technical foul is an intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead....."

Am I right in saying that there is no difference in administration for a technical foul and an intentional technical foul in NFHS, but in NCAA for a technical foul it's 2 shots and POI but an intentional technical foul is 2 shots and ball at division line?

I guess my point earlier was that there really isn't a difference between a technical or intentional technical in NFHS. But I could be wrong here again too.

[Adam]

You're right. The only difference is that the only technical you can have for contact is the intentional technical during a dead ball.
But you're right, there's no difference in NFHS in the administration.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

when A2 looks up to B3 and nails him in the side with an elbow that disables him for a second.
I put the whistle in my mouth give it a tweet, make sure we do not have any retaliation and head to the table ...?
What do you have?

Sounds premeditated. Flagrant. See ya.

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Team B just scored to bring the score to 60- 56 team A leading with 00:14:06 to play.

FWIW, 00:14:06 signifies that there are 14 minutes and 6 seconds remaining. Guessing that you're likely talking Fed rules, I wonder how you end up with > 8 minutes on the clock. Also guesing that if 14 minutes is correct, you're using 16-, 18- or 20-minute halves. If so, how does AAU ball score that many points in such a short amount of time? If 14 seconds is correct, the correct notation, when not specifying units, is 00:14.06.

[tmp44]

I had a similar situation in AAU ball this weekend. 2:30 to go in a quarterfinal 17U game, Team A is up 54-53. We've already had 2 technicals in the game for pushing and shoving after a play, and these teams just don't like each other. Two man game, I'm inbounding in front of the table. Just as I put the ball in play, A1 starts to turn to pick B1, and B1 responds by giving a sharp elbow to the temple. I immediately called flagrant and tossed him. HC for Team B didn't say a word.

I think your situation also sounds like it deserves a flagrant.

[tjones1]

I've got a flagrant technical foul. See ya A2.

[OHBBREF]

14.06 seconds remaining in the second half - we were playing 14 minute halves.

[HandCheck7]

Pretty easy Techinal or Intentional as for ejection only the officials have a feel for the game going on.