Screen video part 2

[SWMOzebra]

I don't have audio capability at work, but it appears the official is calling a pushing foul on blue #40. So, the ref in the video apparently thought the screen was legal and blue #40 was trying to push through...is this interpretation of the clip correct?

From the perspective of the camera, the screen looked clean and the contact looked incidental. I'd like to think I would "no-call" this, but I would be more inclined to understand a blocking call on gold #14. IF the foul call was on blue...then I guess gold really sold it!

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

I don't have audio capability at work, but it appears the official is calling a pushing foul on blue #40. So, the ref in the video apparently thought the screen was legal and blue #40 was trying to push through...is this interpretation of the clip correct?

From the perspective of the camera, the screen looked clean and the contact looked incidental. I'd like to think I would "no-call" this, but I would be more inclined to understand a blocking call on gold #14. IF the foul call was on blue...then I guess gold really sold it!

The call made was a push on blue #40.

Looks like I am running about 15-16 people going with no call.
About 7 illegal screens.
Nobody saw a foul on #40 blue as of yet.

Thanks for all the input. I am now getting a better understanding from all the discussions on how to teach this sitch.

Which is BTW, in Michigan, girls are switching from Fall to Winter next season.

[Ref in PA]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Looks like I am running about 15-16 people going with no call.
About 7 illegal screens.
Nobody saw a foul on #40 blue as of yet.

Thanks for all the input. I am now getting a better understanding from all the discussions on how to teach this sitch.

It is one thing to get consensus here on the board, but that means nothing in the actual games that are being played. You can teach the correct method of setting a screen and still some ref will interpret the actual play differently. I am sure that is frustrating to you as a coach, I know it is frustrating to me when I sit in the stands and see a ref call something drastically different that what I saw or to see a ref kick a rule interpretation. But teaching correct technique will help in the long run. Now if we did your games ...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

It is one thing to get consensus here on the board, but that means nothing in the actual games that are being played. You can teach the correct method of setting a screen and still some ref will interpret the actual play differently. I am sure that is frustrating to you as a coach, I know it is frustrating to me when I sit in the stands and see a ref call something drastically different that what I saw or to see a ref kick a rule interpretation. But teaching correct technique will help in the long run. Now if we did your games ...

I do think very little of this has to do with how officials interpret the rules. Officials do not all have the same judgment. If you noticed some people were not accurate about how many steps were actually taken before actual contact. So either way it goes it is not all about rules knowledge. There are people that cannot process what they see and what the rules say. This is why taking a test does not prove how you officiate.

Peace

[SeanFitzRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

.... Officials do not all have the same judgment. ...There are people that cannot process what they see and what the rules say.

The ref in the clip was doing a good job of watching the ball, because I don't think he ever saw the screener until she hit the floor. Thanks, JRut & JR, for putting my thoughts into words on this. JR, when you figure out what video Blind Zebra is looking at, can you let us know??

CoachP, add me to the 'NO CALL' list. I think I stated that in my other post in the other thread (slo-mo) also.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by SeanFitzRef

The ref in the clip was doing a good job of watching the ball, because I don't think he ever saw the screener until she hit the floor. Thanks, JRut & JR, for putting my thoughts into words on this. JR, when you figure out what video Blind Zebra is looking at, can you let us know??

CoachP, add me to the 'NO CALL' list. I think I stated that in my other post in the other thread (slo-mo) also.

The one that clearly shows that time and distance were not given, not my fault that you don't understand the rules and how to properly apply them.

The screener moved up and into the defender mid-step and then fell down from very little contact.

The only thing you got right was that it should be a no-call.

If it is going to be called a foul, it's a block on the screener.

The one thing it isn't, is what was actually called.

[JRutledge]

If this was an illegal screen, then I have never seen a legal screen my entire career. Now you can say this was illegal, the screen was completely still at the time of contact and the defender took steps toward the screener when the screener completely stopped. If you are calling this illegal, every trip up the court on a screening team would have a foul. Most of the time screens are not set this well. And at the very least the contact was minimal and insignificant. If the player was cleared out by the defender, then they would not have fallen with their feet in the same place. They would have been thrown out of the way.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The one that clearly shows that time and distance were not given, not my fault that you don't understand the rules and how to properly apply them.

Yeah, don't you just hate it when they make comments like "This is NFHS rules and the defender clearly didn't take 2 strides."

When they say something like that, it really is obvious that they don't understand time and distance principles under the rules and how to properly apply those principles.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

It is one thing to get consensus here on the board, but that means nothing in the actual games that are being played. You can teach the correct method of setting a screen and still some ref will interpret the actual play differently. I am sure that is frustrating to you as a coach, I know it is frustrating to me when I sit in the stands and see a ref call something drastically different that what I saw or to see a ref kick a rule interpretation. But teaching correct technique will help in the long run. Now if we did your games ...

Oh,no,no,no,no...I wasn't really after a consensus, but clarification, as I had this called a foul on blue #40 in the game. After saving the video to slo-mo on the computer and trying to compare it to 4-40, I was getting confused.

These 2 days of posts helped a lot.

I have a 30 free trial to the site that hosted the clips....maybe I can find some blarges, reaches and over the backs for you guys to hack over.

And no, Mick won't do any of my games. I even offered to pay the $5 for the Mackinac Bridge.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Thanks for all the input. I am now getting a better understanding from all the discussions on how to teach this sitch.

Jmo but I don't think that you need to change anything re: teaching unless the officials in your area are consistent about calling fouls for all contact during screens.

[wizard]

Originally Posted by CoachP

The call made was a push on blue #40.

Having seen it in real time, I can see the push on blue #40 or even a no call (sorry MTD). I say this knowing that we have the advantage of looking at it many times over and knowing something is coming.