Woman's College Mechanics

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure what you are disagreeing with. I am simply saying that this is a personal mechanic, not something widely endorsed by these officiating bodies. There are people that want to do these things during NF games because they are so caught up in doing Women's mechanics, they think everyone is interested in those same mechanics. This is not something just in the mind of one person.

Peace

I'm disagreeing with the statement that it is a NCAA-W mechanic...it's not, never has been, and so I disagreed with your saying that that is where people are coming up with that strange idea.

And for SeanFitzRef, that is not the NCAA-W mechanic...C always has the clock, regardless of how much time was on the clock when the possession started...

[refguy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That can't be right, can it?

No it's not right for women's. Women's mechanics is center has the last shot always.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I'm disagreeing with the statement that it is a NCAA-W mechanic...it's not, never has been, and so I disagreed with your saying that that is where people are coming up with that strange idea.

And for SeanFitzRef, that is not the NCAA-W mechanic...C always has the clock, regardless of how much time was on the clock when the possession started...

What is not a CCA Women's Mechanic? You just said the very same thing I did. Your response to SeanFitzRef just confirms that. Am I missing something here?

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What is not a CCA Women's Mechanic? You just said the very same thing I did. Your response to SeanFitzRef just confirms that. Am I missing something here?

Peace

Now I'm confused too...someone posted that they always want to rotate so that the C is opposite the table for last second shot coverage. I thought you agreed with that and said that it was coming from NCAA-W...I disagreed that it came from there...then you asked what I disagreed with and I told you what I disagreed with and then you asked if you were missing something so I posted this reply...and like I said, I'm confused now, too...

Bottom line - C has last second shot, but there is absolutely no need or reason to rotate so that the C will be opposite the table...

At least I think that's what we were talking about...I think I need a vacation. Maybe I should go on a cruise this weekend or something!

[Junker]

Maybe all this confusion is a great reason to dump women's mechanics and use the men's?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Now I'm confused too...someone posted that they always want to rotate so that the C is opposite the table for last second shot coverage. I thought you agreed with that and said that it was coming from NCAA-W...I disagreed that it came from there...then you asked what I disagreed with and I told you what I disagreed with and then you asked if you were missing something so I posted this reply...and like I said, I'm confused now, too...

What I was agreeing to is the fact that the C is the "calling official" for the last second shot. Many HS officials that I have worked with are adamant to allow this to happen in HS games. Since NF Mechanics say the "opposite table official" are to call the last second shot, I see many officials just move regardless of where the ball is at to make the C the person who is opposite the table. I was not saying that this complete procedure was what the CCA Women's mechanics do. Just making a comparison as to why officials do this. This is in no way a CCA Men's Mechanic and in no way is the NF Official's Manual mechanics. This is a hybrid drawn up by many officials that use work mostly CCA games. Also to be fair there are some that do not work Women's NCAA Basketball that advocates this procedure. I personally find it a silly mechanic and unnecessary, but that is because contact or a violation or foul is much more likely than having to rule on a last second shot. I only had one or two times this past year where I even had to think about ruling on a last second shot, but many plays where contact or a violation took place near the end of the game.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Bottom line - C has last second shot, but there is absolutely no need or reason to rotate so that the C will be opposite the table...

At least I think that's what we were talking about...I think I need a vacation. Maybe I should go on a cruise this weekend or something!

I was originally responding to something Bob J said. I was only referring to the aspect of the C always having the last second shot. I was not getting into all the parts of the conversation that were had before. That probably is where the confusion came in. I am not blameless in the confusion.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

I think we should all go on a cruise to eliminate all of our confusion(s).

Know of any good deals, rocky?

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That can't be right, can it?

At NCAAW camps, we were taught to lock down at about the 15 mark. C will always (always always always) have last second shot. Not sure about the NBA. NCAAM and NFHS, it is opposite table unless discussed during pre-game. Some HS gym only has one clock on one side of the gym. We've had games (2 person crew) where the L gets the last shot since he/she has the best look at the clock.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Some HS gym only has one clock on one side of the gym.

The location of the clock should not matter to anything dealing with the last second shot.

Peace

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The location of the clock should not matter to anything dealing with the last second shot.

Peace

Try servicing schools that the horn goes off about a second or two after it hits 0:00. Then I think it is essential to look at the clock

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The location of the clock should not matter to anything dealing with the last second shot.

Peace

Usually it doesn't. But I have been in gyms where there is only one clock and scoreboard, behind one of the baskets. If I'm working 2-person, we might pre-game that the official facing the clock has the last shot, only because it will be in their line of sight. It rarely happens, but it is something to be aware of when you pre-game.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Usually it doesn't. But I have been in gyms where there is only one clock and scoreboard, behind one of the baskets. If I'm working 2-person, we might pre-game that the official facing the clock has the last shot, only because it will be in their line of sight. It rarely happens, but it is something to be aware of when you pre-game.

Exactly!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Try servicing schools that the horn goes off about a second or two after it hits 0:00. Then I think it is essential to look at the clock

The horn is what ends the game, not the clock saying 0:00.

Also I do not know how you can watch the clock and the play at the same time. You are going to miss something. What do you do when the clock is overhead and the clock is not in your field of vision? I cannot speak for you, but I cannot watch both.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Usually it doesn't. But I have been in gyms where there is only one clock and scoreboard, behind one of the baskets. If I'm working 2-person, we might pre-game that the official facing the clock has the last shot, only because it will be in their line of sight. It rarely happens, but it is something to be aware of when you pre-game.

The clocks are almost never positioned in a "perfect place." Once again, I think it is really stupid to be watching the clock when the play is what is important. I would rather not see the clock, and then miss a play trying to watch something that is not in my peripheral vision. If it works for you more power to you. But if you are working with me, I am not going to be watching the clock on the last second shot. What you should do in my opinion, is take a responsibility for the horn and the clock as a non-calling official and give help when needed. There is no need for this call to made instantaneously when there is 2 or 3 of you that might have information to get the call right.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The clocks are almost never positioned in a "perfect place." Once again, I think it is really stupid to be watching the clock when the play is what is important. I would rather not see the clock, and then miss a play trying to watch something that is not in my peripheral vision. If it works for you more power to you. But if you are working with me, I am not going to be watching the clock on the last second shot. What you should do in my opinion, is take a responsibility for the horn and the clock as a non-calling official and give help when needed. There is no need for this call to made instantaneously when there is 2 or 3 of you that might have information to get the call right.

Peace

It's not clock-watching so much as just being able to see the clock. If there's 3 of us, it won't be an issue. Also, in most gyms, there's a clock visible on both sides of the court, so again, not an issue. But there's those rare times where we might work 2-person at a small school, where there's only one scoreboard on one side of the gym. In 2-person, the T has the last shot. But if play is at the side of the court opposite the clock, the T would have to turn their head completely around and away from the players to catch a glimpse of the clock. All the L would have to do is glance up with their eyes to catch the clock, and still keep their head facing the players. It's not "by the book", but it makes things easier for those rare instances. The pre-game is where that would be covered, so there aren't two people looking at the clock and no one watching the players...