Fiba

[The Canuck]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Same in Manitoba.

I have now come full circle. I started my officiating career under FIBA rules, went to Fed., then NCAA (with modifications), now back to FIBA. Clinics are going to be fun this summer.

That's apparently what happened in BC. I started when we were doing modified NCAA but lots of guys have been frustrated by constantly having to learn new rules.

Which rules do you think we ought to play, SmokeEater?

Snaqwells: thank you for your condolences.

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[canuckref]

It looks like fiba will be the rules from coast to coast to coast. I believe the rational is that fiba is the international game, so why would Canada play under U.S. high school and college rules, when we compete rarely against these teams at elite levels, but we do play with fiba rules for Olympic qualifying etc.. I'd be happy to have some fiba threads start here. It can get somewhat confusing reading all this u.s. high school references, but the game is very similar.
Major changes from my point of view include:
24 second shot clock
ball may be legally thrown over the back board
front court inbound must be passed into front court
5 sec. closely guarded can occur in back AND front court
clock is stopped in last two minutes after a made basket
5 seconds to attempt a free throw
technical foul = 2 shots + ball at half court
wide key

I personally find this one kinda of silly: you hold the thumb, index and middle finger to signal three point attempt VS. the pinky, ring and middle in ncaa rules.

If you havent already looked at it, here is the two man fiba referee guide:
http://www.fiba.com/asp_includes/dow...sp?file_id=325

As an aside, I believe there has been much speculation that US Olympic efforts have fallen short recently because of their inability to adapt to fiba play at the international level.

Also see this chart for a comparison of fiba, nba and ncaa rule differences:
http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/rules.html

[Jay R]

Canada Basketball has really been pushing FIBA rules over the last few years by threatening to take funding away from provincal associations etc.... University coaches in Ontario voted unanimously (21 to 0) to keep NCAA rules yet they are switching to FIBA because of the funding issue (at least that's my understanding).

Personally I like NCAA rules which could be adapted for high school (similar to Federation) but nobody's interested in what I think. Our job is to referee with the rules that the leagues have adopted not to mandate what rules they play.

BTW Canuckref, I don't think it's a big deal which three fingers you use. I use the last three fingers to signal an attempt for FIBA games and no one has ever said anyhting; I think evaluators have bigger concerns than which fingers are used. I know some people on this board will disagree with that last statement.

J

[Adam]

Yeah, some folks on this board have a favorite finger, that's for sure.

[26 Year Gap]

And some hold up three and tell you to read between the lines.

[canuckrefguy]

We've been using FIBA for CCAA games for a couple years. High Schools are switching next year, as are CIS Men (which surprised me, to tell you the truth).

Really, it's no big deal. The big change for coaches will be calling TO's through the table, and not being able to call them during play.

Also:

8 sec continuous backcourt count, meaning if checked out in BC, offensive team does not get "a new 8", but rather what is left on the count.

Scoring team cannot call timeout after basket, though scored-on team still can

4 quarters of 10:00

Last 2:00 of game - offensive team calls timeout with ball to resume in the BC - ball will automatically be advanced to halfcourt after the TO

Player must land both feet on ground for act of shooting to end

Player can shoot FT's with no other players on the lane

No FT violations called on either team if FT goes in - except for shooter

Penalty (not bonus) on the 5th foul in a quarter - 2 shots

Shooter gets capped = travel, not AP

Like I said, when the change first came, I was dreading it, but it's not such a big deal. Most of the action-related rules in FIBA are identical to NCAA/NFHS now anyway.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

8 sec continuous backcourt count, meaning if checked out in BC, offensive team does not get "a new 8", but rather what is left on the count.

Could you elaborate on this? "Checked?" Does this mean if the ball goes OOB or a timeout is called at, say, 4 in the BC count. The count will start from 4 once the ball is inbounded?

[crazy voyager]

Originally Posted by canuckref

I personally find this one kinda of silly: you hold the thumb, index and middle finger to signal three point attempt VS. the pinky, ring and middle in ncaa rules.

There's a simple reason for that. In some european countries showing the pinky, ring and middle fingers is a quite rude gesture. Therefore fiba officials show thumb, index, middle insted. And also (I think) becuse it's not as easily mistaken for nr.4 as with the Ncaa signal.

And I wouldn't mind a little more fiba discussion around here

[SmokeEater]

Its comming starting in June here. Can't wait

[canuckref]

Originally Posted by crazy voyager

There's a simple reason for that. In some european countries showing the pinky, ring and middle fingers is a quite rude gesture. Therefore fiba officials show thumb, index, middle insted. And also (I think) becuse it's not as easily mistaken for nr.4 as with the Ncaa signal.

And I wouldn't mind a little more fiba discussion around here

you learn something new everyday here, thanks for the sensitivity training, I'll be more careful with my fingers!

[Mark Padgett]

I think it's ironic that a game that was invented by a Canadian while working in the United States is now going to be played in Canada under European rules.

That's just FEEBLE.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I think it's ironic that a game that was invented by a Canadian while working in the United States is now going to be played in Canada under European rules.

That's just FEEBLE.

Wow, you're quite the global thinker.

Not.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I think it's ironic that a game that was invented by a Canadian while working in the United States is now going to be played in Canada under European rules.

Yes Quite IRONIC ....

[canuckref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I think it's ironic that a game that was invented by a Canadian while working in the United States is now going to be played in Canada under European rules.

That's just FEEBLE.

save your thrusts and parries for you leotarded fencing matches.

irony would be ia a american fiba official does a game at the international level when the usa loses (oh wait, this happens all the time now )

perhaps the name of the forum should more accurately be called "american refs who only travel in the tri state area to ref a limited set of rules loosely based on nhfs/ncaa, but we make changes wherever we feel like rules don't adhere to our ball size and intelligence"

just a friendly suggestion!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by canuckref

save your thrusts and parries for you leotarded fencing matches.

irony would be ia a american fiba official does a game at the international level when the usa loses (oh wait, this happens all the time now )

perhaps the name of the forum should more accurately be called "american refs who only travel in the tri state area to ref a limited set of rules loosely based on nhfs/ncaa, but we make changes wherever we feel like rules don't adhere to our ball size and intelligence"

just a friendly suggestion!

OK - next time your country is at war, you can have just the French on your side.