Watta ya got video?

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by tomegun

You are overthinking; the ball was right in front of him and he made the correct call. Also, I don't think it was anywhere in his mind to hurry up and get in the camera shot. I think you are worrying too much about the camera and not concerning yourself with the fact that the play was right in front of the L.

And I'm overthinking??? But I digress........

I too, officiate in Washington state, and the reason I made the comments I did was because that is how our association handles 'drives to the basket', from either wing. It was a point of emphasis in every pre-game of every varsity contest I did this year. L to have a patient whistle on a crash from a drive from either wing, C or T having first crack due to play originating from their primary. I never said that L should not have a whistle on such a play. I was just asking RD if their crew was applying that same philosophy or not.

Thanks for YOUR concern though, tomegun.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

And I'm overthinking??? But I digress........

I too, officiate in Washington state, and the reason I made the comments I did was because that is how our association handles 'drives to the basket', from either wing. It was a point of emphasis in every pre-game of every varsity contest I did this year. L to have a patient whistle on a crash from a drive from either wing, C or T having first crack due to play originating from their primary. I never said that L should not have a whistle on such a play. I was just asking RD if their crew was applying that same philosophy or not.

Thanks for YOUR concern though, tomegun.

And what does your pregame include regarding a drive to the basket when there's a crash with a secondary defender? IMO, Nevada got it correct in post #54.

[canuckref]

first play: d has lgp (doesn't matter if both feet are on the floor according to ncaa rules) great call.

second play: good no call, player flopped

nice job under tremendous pressure

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by BLydic

And what does your pregame include regarding a drive to the basket when there's a crash with a secondary defender? IMO, Nevada got it correct in post #54.

To be honest, the whole complexity of a secondary, or even a third defender, etc. never came in the discussions. Plain and simple, C or T has the drive to the bucket and first crack at any collision/contact. The C or T absolutely may decide that they have nothing, but if the L sees something that warrants a whistle, then by all means, come in and get it. That's the luxury of the 3 person.

Again, I am not questioning RD making this call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

I too, officiate in Washington state, and the reason I made the comments I did was because that is how our association handles 'drives to the basket', from either wing. It was a point of emphasis in every pre-game of every varsity contest I did this year. L to have a patient whistle on a crash from a drive from either wing, C or T having first crack due to play originating from their primary. I never said that L should not have a whistle on such a play. I was just asking RD if their crew was applying that same philosophy or not.

Originally Posted by BLydic

And what does your pregame include regarding a drive to the basket when there's a crash with a secondary defender? IMO, Nevada got it correct in post #54.

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

To be honest, the whole complexity of a secondary, or even a third defender, etc. never came in the discussions. Plain and simple, C or T has the drive to the bucket and first crack at any collision/contact. The C or T absolutely may decide that they have nothing, but if the L sees something that warrants a whistle, then by all means, come in and get it.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not true....the T/C have primary coverage all the way in for players involved in the play all the way in. When the defender comes from somewhere else, the official covering that area has primary coverage. The T/C will NOT have a good look at a defender coming into the picture at the last second.

IUgrad92,
It is unfortunate, but you have been taught the mechanics of this play incorrectly. You are not the only one though as this is a subtle point that many officials fail to grasp. I have even seen people at association meetings teach the coverage of this play incorrectly. So it's not your fault, but it is your duty to learn something new and correct your thinking. Possibly you could even help enlighten those in your area who are not handling the secondary defender in this manner. The understanding that you have OVERsimplified the play. It is not that simple. People cannot say that the C or T has the play all the way to the basket and that's it. The play must be divided into primary and secondary defenders for the reasons that I gave back in post #54. Please listen to Camron and others who are telling you how to best use 3-man mechanics to cover these type of plays. You will improve if you do.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Thanks for YOUR concern though, tomegun.

No problem. I'm concerned because there is one "IU" that IMO is known more than others. Your post puts my common sense theory in trouble. I like the way you had no comment about the T being in the camera or the camera period.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Tie game...winner to state...watta ya got?

http://www.sportstricities.com/sport...-8578135c.html

I've got a "guts call" RookieDude. Bang-bang, close as heck and you sold it. Nice job.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I've got a "guts call" RookieDude. Bang-bang, close as heck and you sold it. Nice job.

What do you mean by 'sold it'? Maybe I saw a different clip.......

[mj]

I got....

A player control foul in the first video.

A no call in the second.

And no comment on Old School's posts................

Good job, Rookie.

[Almost Always Right]

(In referrence to the 1st video)
If they pre-gamed that they were going behind their head all night on anything close - Then they got it right.
If they pre-gamed to the hips all night then they got it wrong.
If they went to the head on everything else that night, they got it right.
If they went to the hips all night, they got it wrong.
Personally - I feel that the defender had not established(both feet while facing) and therefore the bucket is good and we are shooting one. However, I reserve the right to reference earlier material posted in this response!!

[zebraman]

Old School will be performing two shows nightly all week... at 7 PM and 10 PM. Don't forget to tip your server. Thanks for coming folks.... rim shot......

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Tie game...winner to state...watta ya got?

http://www.sportstricities.com/sport...-8578135c.html

I have a PC, looking at the slow motion replay, legal guarding position was established.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Tie game...winner to state...watta ya got?

http://www.sportstricities.com/sport...-8578135c.html

I admire you for making a tough call. With the advantage of slo mo replay imho it's clearly a block. Thanks for posting this. Stuff like this makes this board special.

Regarding shoulder down clip, again a block or no call imo.

Nice job.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I admire you for making a tough call. With the advantage of slo mo replay imho it's clearly a block. Thanks for posting this. Stuff like this makes this board special.

Regarding shoulder down clip, again a block or no call imo.

Nice job.

How can this be a no call with players on the floor?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

How can this be a no call with players on the floor?

Because NFHS rule 4-27-2 says so--"contact which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe."