Suspension?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And no one has said that there is. Not sure where you're getting that from.

I'm getting that from the guy that said that having that official on the game was part of the problem. I quoted the exact words that he used verbatim. The only problem was the coach's post-game behavior. The official was not part of that problem.

[Nevadaref]

Old people...Sheesh.

Once they get something in their mind, there's no convincing them of anything else.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Old people...Sheesh.

Fanboys.....Sheesh.

[canuckrefguy]

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Yes you did!
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Give it up you guys

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Of course there's not. And no one has said that there is. Not sure where you're getting that from. The official is not at fault one iota in this situation. No one except you has even intimated that.

Having said that, every official and every assignor knows that it's simply not smart for an official to work the same team's games multiple times in a very short period of time. And this coach's reaction is exactly why it's not smart. That's all we're saying.

To say it is not smart is kind of silly. For one the D1 level is another level of professionalism. There are things we do as high school and JH officials that they never have to worry about. If the coach cannot handle that, maybe he will not be at that level very long. And it is not uncommon to have the same team multiple times in a season.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Rut,
Please explain why the NCAA selects ten different officials for the Final Four instead of just taking six plus an alternate and having three of those six also work the Championship game.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm getting that from the guy that said that having that official on the game was part of the problem.

That's right. Having that official on the game was part of the problem. Not because the official did anything wrong; but because it gives the coach an easy excuse to do what he did.

Come on, Jurassic; this is Assigning 101. Stop trying to make it something it's not.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

To say it is not smart is kind of silly.

If you want to believe that, that's certainly you're right. I believe if you ask any assignor whether they would want to put an official on the same team's games 3 times in 9 days, he or she would say that they would NOT want to. Maybe sometimes they have to, but "familiarity breeds contempt" is not just a cliche. Coaches sometimes have a hard time letting things go and if you see that same coach after a tough call against his team, it's just asking for trouble. Again, Assigning 101.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Rut,
Please explain why the NCAA selects ten different officials for the Final Four instead of just taking six plus an alternate and having three of those six also work the Championship game.

Why do you guys like to talk apples and oranges?

The NCAA Tournament selection is completely different than a conference tournament. It is the only show in town and the NCAA has all the say as to who works when and where. Working the NCAA Tournament is the pinnacle of most official’s career that work that level on a regular basis.

Conference tournaments are running all over the country at the same time. Many of the little conferences run earlier in the week and it is not unusual to probably have a large portion of their staff working somewhere else.

But when the Big Ten, Pac-10, SEC, ACC, Big East and Big 12 come calling, you (as an official) are not going to just turn them down.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's right. Having that official on the game was part of the problem. Not because the official did anything wrong; but because it gives the coach an easy excuse to do what he did.

Come on, Jurassic; this is Assigning 101. Stop trying to make it something it's not.

If the official didn't do anything wrong, then howinthehell can he be part of the problem? Hell, even if he did do something wrong, he's still not part of the problem. The coach's post-game behavior was the problem. Period! Officials make mistakes and miss calls. That doesn't mean that they have to put up with post-game abuse like that.

Assigning had dick-all to do with that coach's behavior also. The problem after the game lies solely with the the coach. When it comes to behavior like that, there are no mitigating factors imo.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

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Give it up you guys

Hey, I got an idea. If you don't want to read something, then don't. And don't bother trying to tell other people what they can post either.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The NCAA Tournament selection is completely different than a conference tournament. It is the only show in town and the NCAA has all the say as to who works when and where. Working the NCAA Tournament is the pinnacle of most official’s career that work that level on a regular basis.

Conference tournaments are running all over the country at the same time. Many of the little conferences run earlier in the week and it is not unusual to probably have a large portion of their staff working somewhere else.

But when the Big Ten, Pac-10, SEC, ACC, Big East and Big 12 come calling, you (as an official) are not going to just turn them down.

I agree with all of those points and already said such in an earlier post. However, you seemed to base the bulk of your argument on the idea of professionalism at the D1 level. So if that is true, then why won't you answer my question about the Final Four?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I believe if you ask any assignor whether they would want to put an official on the same team's games 3 times in 9 days, he or she would say that they would NOT want to. Maybe sometimes they have to, but "familiarity breeds contempt" is not just a cliche. Coaches sometimes have a hard time letting things go and if you see that same coach after a tough call against his team, it's just asking for trouble. Again, Assigning 101.

Yup, that's Assigning 101. It's also Assigning 101 that there are NO mitigating factors when it comes to a coach going after one of the assignor's officials post-game, like Fox did.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

For those looking for a quick summary of the dispute:

blah blah blah

Nah, here's the quick summary:

Coach goes way out of bounds.

Some people would like to blame someone other than the coach for his idiotic behavior.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree with all of those points and already said such in an earlier post. However, you seemed to base the bulk of your argument on the idea of professionalism at the D1 level. So if that is true, then why won't you answer my question about the Final Four?

I answered your question. These are two completely different assigning processes. The NCAA has nothing to do with how a conference assigns their officials and the conferences only can recommend officials and the NCAA uses who they want to for their post season. Trying to compare these two things makes no sense. Trying to compare what they do at the D1 level and the HS level makes little sense.

Peace