Suspension?

[Nevadaref]

It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.

@ Utah State 79-77 OT loss
Not vs. New Mexico St. at home (win)
vs. Idaho @ WAC tourney (win)
vs. Utah State @ WAC tourney 79-77 loss in regulation

BTW Gracey also worked the WAC tourney championship, so if Nevada had made the final they would have had him again.

This is part of the problem with the conference tourneys. People see too much of each other.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.

A coach acts like that and you think that the official was part of the problem?

I gotta tell ya, Nevada, a statement like that is just plain sad coming from any official. Freaking sad!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A coach acts like that and you think that the official was part of the problem?

That's a very silly comment, coming from an assignor. The official is not part of the problem. The fact that the assignor put him in a position to butt heads with the same guy 4 times in 2 weeks is a problem.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's a very silly comment, coming from an assignor. The official is not part of the problem. The fact that the assignor put him in a position to butt heads with the same guy 4 times in 2 weeks is a problem.

You're right in thinking that the assignor shouldn't have given that many assignments to the same official in that short a time frame. However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Sorry, Scrappy, but if that's your thinking also, then you're part of the problem too.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're right in thinking that the assignor shouldn't have given that many assignments to the same official in that short a time frame. However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Let's see I started my initial post with:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior,...

and JR agrees with that, but still flips out.

Then I made the point that the problem is the assigning of an official to see the same team three times in nine days. The dates were March 1, 8, and 9 (and would have been 10 if Nevada had reached the final). JR agrees with that too. Yet he takes some shot at me for writing that.

Well look in the mirror, JR, because you just agreed with my two points. So I guess you are sad too.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Let's see I started my initial post with:..I believe that part of the problem lies with the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of it's last 4 games"

Nevada, you intimated that Gracey was part of the problem. Gracey was not part of the problem. The head coach of Nevada, Fox, was the whole problem. No one else. There is absolutely NO excuse for his behavior imo.

Obviously, in your opinion, there is an excuse.

We disagree.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nevada, you intimated that Gracey was part of the problem. Gracey was not part of the problem. The head coach of Nevada, Fox, was the whole problem. No one else. There is absolutely NO excuse for his behavior imo.

Obviously, in your opinion, there is an excuse.

We disagree.

I did no such thing. YOU inferred that from my post. YOUR mistake.

Now just to be crystal clear, I'm saying that the problem is having the same two people have to deal with each other in pressure situations, multiple times, in a short period of time. Confrontations are bound to happen under those circumstances because people sometimes let their emotions get the better of them. That is wrong, and I'm sure that Fox will be punished for it. Of course, the WAC conference needs to understand what it could have done better.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Of course there's not. And no one has said that there is. Not sure where you're getting that from. The official is not at fault one iota in this situation. No one except you has even intimated that.

Having said that, every official and every assignor knows that it's simply not smart for an official to work the same team's games multiple times in a very short period of time. And this coach's reaction is exactly why it's not smart. That's all we're saying.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And no one has said that there is. Not sure where you're getting that from.

I'm getting that from the guy that said that having that official on the game was part of the problem. I quoted the exact words that he used verbatim. The only problem was the coach's post-game behavior. The official was not part of that problem.

[Nevadaref]

Old people...Sheesh.

Once they get something in their mind, there's no convincing them of anything else.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm getting that from the guy that said that having that official on the game was part of the problem.

That's right. Having that official on the game was part of the problem. Not because the official did anything wrong; but because it gives the coach an easy excuse to do what he did.

Come on, Jurassic; this is Assigning 101. Stop trying to make it something it's not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Of course there's not. And no one has said that there is. Not sure where you're getting that from. The official is not at fault one iota in this situation. No one except you has even intimated that.

Having said that, every official and every assignor knows that it's simply not smart for an official to work the same team's games multiple times in a very short period of time. And this coach's reaction is exactly why it's not smart. That's all we're saying.

To say it is not smart is kind of silly. For one the D1 level is another level of professionalism. There are things we do as high school and JH officials that they never have to worry about. If the coach cannot handle that, maybe he will not be at that level very long. And it is not uncommon to have the same team multiple times in a season.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Rut,
Please explain why the NCAA selects ten different officials for the Final Four instead of just taking six plus an alternate and having three of those six also work the Championship game.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

To say it is not smart is kind of silly.

If you want to believe that, that's certainly you're right. I believe if you ask any assignor whether they would want to put an official on the same team's games 3 times in 9 days, he or she would say that they would NOT want to. Maybe sometimes they have to, but "familiarity breeds contempt" is not just a cliche. Coaches sometimes have a hard time letting things go and if you see that same coach after a tough call against his team, it's just asking for trouble. Again, Assigning 101.

[Nevadaref]

While Gracey had some crucial calls in some Nevada games this year, including that mess with Hawaii, I never said that he was part of the problem.

My point was...

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

People see too much of each other.

The WAC should have done a better job in rotating its officials.

JMO.