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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 09:08am
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And the police were involved too? Yikes!
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 01:03pm
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Interesting...I don't understand why coaches are allowed to get away with this kind of crap...there is a West Coast Conference school whose men's team has done quite well the last few years, but whose women's team hasn't caught up to that level yet. The women's coach has pulled a few doozies lately. 1)He went nutso on a call, was T'ed by one of the officials, and after the game taped an autographed 8x10 picture of himself to the officials lockerroom door with a note attached saying "Something to remember me by, since you'll never work in this conference again." WCC commissioner did nothing...2)Was ejected from a game a few weeks ago, refused to leave, had to be escorted out by security, the entire time screaming and dropping profanities at the official who gave him the second T. Goes to locker room and calls Supervisor and proceeds to leave a profanity-laced message on her answering machine, which she plays for the commissioner - who, again, does nothing.

I really don't get it...
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 04:22pm
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Interesting...I don't understand why coaches are allowed to get away with this kind of crap...there is a West Coast Conference school whose men's team has done quite well the last few years, but whose women's team hasn't caught up to that level yet. The women's coach has pulled a few doozies lately. 1)He went nutso on a call, was T'ed by one of the officials, and after the game taped an autographed 8x10 picture of himself to the officials lockerroom door with a note attached saying "Something to remember me by, since you'll never work in this conference again." WCC commissioner did nothing...2)Was ejected from a game a few weeks ago, refused to leave, had to be escorted out by security, the entire time screaming and dropping profanities at the official who gave him the second T. Goes to locker room and calls Supervisor and proceeds to leave a profanity-laced message on her answering machine, which she plays for the commissioner - who, again, does nothing.

I really don't get it...
Well, I guess the message should have been played for the college president. *wakes up from time change induced nap*
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 05:19pm
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It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.

@ Utah State 79-77 OT loss
Not vs. New Mexico St. at home (win)
vs. Idaho @ WAC tourney (win)
vs. Utah State @ WAC tourney 79-77 loss in regulation

BTW Gracey also worked the WAC tourney championship, so if Nevada had made the final they would have had him again.

This is part of the problem with the conference tourneys. People see too much of each other.
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 05:26pm
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It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.
A coach acts like that and you think that the official was part of the problem?

I gotta tell ya, Nevada, a statement like that is just plain sad coming from any official. Freaking sad!
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 05:48pm
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A coach acts like that and you think that the official was part of the problem?
That's a very silly comment, coming from an assignor. The official is not part of the problem. The fact that the assignor put him in a position to butt heads with the same guy 4 times in 2 weeks is a problem.
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 05:58pm
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That's a very silly comment, coming from an assignor. The official is not part of the problem. The fact that the assignor put him in a position to butt heads with the same guy 4 times in 2 weeks is a problem.
You're right in thinking that the assignor shouldn't have given that many assignments to the same official in that short a time frame. However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Sorry, Scrappy, but if that's your thinking also, then you're part of the problem too.
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 05:34pm
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While Gracey had some crucial calls in some Nevada games this year, including that mess with Hawaii, I never said that he was part of the problem.

My point was...
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People see too much of each other.
The WAC should have done a better job in rotating its officials.

JMO.
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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 05:55pm
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While Gracey had some crucial calls in some Nevada games this year, including that mess with Hawaii, I never said that he was part of the problem.

My point was...


The WAC should have done a better job in rotating its officials.

JMO.
Not sure they have a lot of choices. If I am not mistaken the WAC Championship is going on when the major conferences are playing. You are not going to get a lot of rotation if some of the best in the country are working other tournaments at the same time. Even then you want the best officials working games. This not HS basketball. Everyone is on a higher and more professional level. It is not uncommon to see the better conference officials often for one team in any conference.

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Old Sun Mar 11, 2007, 06:23pm
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Not sure they have a lot of choices. If I am not mistaken the WAC Championship is going on when the major conferences are playing. You are not going to get a lot of rotation if some of the best in the country are working other tournaments at the same time. Even then you want the best officials working games. This not HS basketball. Everyone is on a higher and more professional level. It is not uncommon to see the better conference officials often for one team in any conference.

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Rut, that is absolutely correct. The WAC is still playing second fiddle to the big boys and can't attract the best of the best for its conference tourney when it is played on the same dates. However, I have to believe that a switch on the conference semifinal assignments could have been done with the officials working the other semifinal.

For the record of the three officials who worked the other semi, (Ruben Ramos, Bob Staffen, Rick Batsell) only Staffen had Nevada in the final week. He was with Gracey on the March 1 game at Utah State. So why not use either of the other two?

BTW the box score on the NV/Idaho game on ESPN is wrong for the officials. Yahoo has it right. It was Gracey, Dixon, Hernandez.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 06:46am
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It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.
A little update on the Nevada coach......

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...28/1053/SPORTS

I wonder if the cop was part of the problem too.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 07:26am
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Just like the adage "Nothing good happens at 3 a.m.", nothing good happens when an irate coach follows officials out of a gym. Wonder what would happen if some guy who was NOT earning 6 figures acted in that manner...
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 01:18pm
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Just like the adage "Nothing good happens at 3 a.m.", nothing good happens when an irate coach follows officials out of a gym. Wonder what would happen if some guy who was NOT earning 6 figures acted in that manner...
Unfortunately, it's often not a whole lot more.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 10:46am
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A little update on the Nevada coach......

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...28/1053/SPORTS

I wonder if the cop was part of the problem too.
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Groth said that the incident has proved to be an unneeded distraction at the worst time. Nevada, the seventh seed in the NCAA Tournament's South Regional, will play No. 10 Creighton on Friday in New Orleans.

"We need him to focus completely on the kids," Groth said. "It's really bothered him. This has become a little bit of distraction for him and we've tried to take it off the table."
Given that the mess is Fox's own doing, why work to shield him from the consequences? What are the players learning in all this?
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2007, 12:07pm
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"We need him to focus completely on the kids," Groth said. "It's really bothered him. This has become a little bit of distraction for him and we've tried to take it off the table."

WTF's fault is that?

BTW, ACC official Les Jones worked the UNC-Duke regular season finale, the UNC-FSU ACC qtrfinal, and the UNC-BC ACC semi. There were no incidents in those 3 consecutive UNC games played over a 7 day period.
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