"Over the back"

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

So you think it's "pretty valid" for coaches to make statements to you in an attempt to influence your decisions.

Proper communication is "pretty valid" - what was described in the OP was proper communication to the officials.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Proper communication is "pretty valid" - what was described in the OP was proper communication to the officials.

Sooooooo.......by the same token, do you think it's OK for the official to go over and tell the coach what he should be doing? Maybe say "It's time to take the press off, coach"? Fairs fair when it comes to "proper communication".

That coach sent his player out for only one reason-- to try and get the official to make some rebounding calls in favor of his team? Or do you really think that the coach wanted you to call some "over the back" fouls against his team?

Proper response to that proper communication is to say "Yeah, right" and promptly fuggedaboutit. All the coach is trying to do is influence your calls. It's the oldest coaching ploy in the world, and obviously some rookies are still falling for it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Proper communication is "pretty valid" - what was described in the OP was proper communication to the officials.

[bellnier]

Would it be so hard to just say "Tell coach I'll call a foul when I see contact" and leave it at that?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bellnier

Would it be so hard to just say "Tell coach I'll call a foul when I see contact" and leave it at that?

You should say whatever you feel it necessarily to get your point across. If "OK" works for you I have no problem with this. If you need to say more, then say more. I know I am simply just not going to debate what an "over the back" foul is. Whatever works for you, works for me.

Peace

[SeanFitzRef]

Originally Posted by bellnier

Would it be so hard to just say "Tell coach I'll call a foul when I see contact" and leave it at that?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is nothing inherently illegal to make contact with a player's back. There is nothing illegal to reach in for the ball. Even if there is contact that does not mean you have a foul. You have to have displaced a player or cause some kind of advantage to have a foul. So that means the bigger kid that out jumps the smaller kid should not be called for a foul just because there is a little contact. You will find that they call for a foul when nothing illegal took place.

Please do not repeat this, because you will then lead the coach to believe that ALL contact is a foul. We know this is the case, don't we??? Right on JRut.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Just be sure to pull your pants up when you're done.

[ChrisSportsFan]

I hear alot of guys say something like "if you have something come to us and if we have something, we'll come to you" in the captains meeting. Then when a kid comes to them during the game, they ignore the captain or give a sarcastic comment. This does not build confidence in the ref/player relationship.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

I hear alot of guys say something like "if you have something come to us and if we have something, we'll come to you" in the captains meeting. Then when a kid comes to them during the game, they ignore the captain or give a sarcastic comment. This does not build confidence in the ref/player relationship.

In my experience, the response given by an official usually depends on what the player came to the official with. If they just want to b!tch, then they can consider themselves lucky if they're only ignored. If it's something legitimate, I think that most officials will give a legitimate response.