UNC/Duke Game

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

The point that everyone is missing is that once airborne, Henderson received contact from Hansborough that knocked Henderson off-balance and caused him to instinctively begin to protect himself (for fearing of landing on something other than his feet first). At that point, it looked to me like he brought his focus and his arms/hands downward (he was no longer following the ball). He was attempting to protect himself, thus the downward arm movement that ultimately hit Hansborough in the face.

Say what? Hansborough caused the contact? He was just protecting himself? What next? Are you're going to say that the foul shoulda been called on Hansborough for hitting Henderson in the hand with his nose?

[tomegun]

Honestly ladies and gentlemen. For jeffpea to say Hansborough had anything to do with Henderson making contact nearly trumps all of Old School's posts combined.
Jeff, if you really believe what you posted you will have a hard time as an official. I intend no personal attacks or anything like that. You are way off with this one. Way off!

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what? Hansborough caused the contact? He was just protecting himself? What next? Are you're going to say that the foul shoulda been called on Hansborough for hitting Henderson in the hand with his nose?

I'm going to assume that you are half-joking with your last question, so I won't waste anyones time asking you to stop with the sense-less exaggerations.....

For once, Billy Packer was right in one of his on-air statements (I must say that's hard for me to admit since I use the mute button often when he's talking...). Prior to Henderson hitting Hansborough, his whole body reacted to the contact that occurred between the players - not just his arms. My opinion, that I have stated earlier, is that the contact - though hard - was NOT of a combative nature and not intentional. I base my opinion on the video evidence which shows the contact between players (#51 Duke, Hansborough, and Henderson) that changed Henderson's motions from attempted shot block to instinctive reaction to prevent potential injury.

It is clear that others disagree...and that is fine with me. This is one of the many areas in officiating where there is no "black and white" - simply lots of grey.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

It is clear that others disagree...and that is fine with me. This is one of the many areas in officiating where there is no "black and white" - simply lots of grey.

In this case, lots of RED. As much as I dislike both teams, I give Hansborough a thumbs up for reacting the way that he did.

[JRutledge]

Hansborough broke his nose on this play.

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

In this case, lots of RED. As much as I dislike both teams, I give Hansborough a thumbs up for reacting the way that he did.

The only reason Hansborough didn't turn this into a brawl is because by the time he got up off the floor, there was already an official and a teammate with their hands on him to make sure it didn't turn even more ugly.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

ACC commissioner John Swofford said Monday he was satisfied with how officials reacted Sunday. Swofford said the ACC took another look at the play Monday.

"I am satisfied with it. It's unfortunate the way the incident happened. The officials handled it well. The other players and the two coaches handled it well once the incident happened. One of the worst things that could happen is for that to set up something bigger. They all handled everything well and I'm supportive of the actions taken by the game officials."

[Adam]

Too bad for coach crewshawooski. I'm sure he was positive the ACC would reverse the on-court ruling.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

To his credit, coach crewshawooski has changed his tune a little bit since yesterday saying in the weekly coaches teleconference that they would not appeal the suspension.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Too bad for coach crewshawooski. I'm sure he was positive the ACC would reverse the on-court ruling.

Actually, the ACC doesn't have the power to reverse the officials ruling. They have no choice in the matter. It's automatic under NCAA rules.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Too bad for coach crewshawooski. I'm sure he was positive the ACC would reverse the on-court ruling.

To back up what Tony wrote:

NCAA Rule 10
Section 19. Suspensions for Fighting
Art. 1. Any member or team personnel who participates in a fight
(regardless of whether he or she is a player at the time) shall be assessed a
flagrant technical foul. No free throws shall be attempted by either team
when there are double flagrant fouls that are offsetting.
Art. 2. The first time an individual participates in a fight during the season
(including exhibition games), the individual shall be suspended from
participating in the team’s next regular-season game (not an exhibition
contest), including tournament competition.
Art. 3. When an individual participates in a second fight, that individual
shall be suspended for the remainder of the season, including tournament
competition.
Art. 8. After a game, conference offices or the assigning authority may
correct an error in who was involved in a fight but cannot change an
official’s ruling that a fight took place or lessen the severity of the penalty. The conference office or assigning authority may make those penalties more severe.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

I'm going to assume that you are half-joking with your last question, so I won't waste anyones time asking you to stop with the sense-less exaggerations.....

Senseless exaggerations? You mean like saying that someone who got smacked in the face initiated the contact? And that someone who smacked another player in the face, breaking his nose, was just protecting himself?

Those statements aren't exaggerations. They're just plain senseless.

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Senseless exaggerations? You mean like saying that someone who got smacked in the face initiated the contact? And that someone who smacked another player in the face, breaking his nose, was just protecting himself?

Those statements aren't exaggerations. They're just plain senseless.

So in a situation were people are expressing their opinions about a play that none of us where involved in, none of us know the exact details of what discussions took place, and none of us had to ultimately make a decision that is subject to review by millions of others.....why is it that some posters feel that not only are they right, but anyone who disagrees with them are clueless, make senseless statements, or a "baby who needs to take a nap"?

The best officiating crews are ones in which the three calmest people in the arena are the game officials. It seems that several posters in here get pretty excited and emotional very quickly in a chat room of all places...

Since this is totally a subjective ruling by the officials, I think it's a little disengenuous to say that their ruling is the only ruling that is acceptable. Isn't possible that the officials could have handled it this way: personal foul on #51 Duke, Flagrant Technical Foul on Henderson (Henderson ejected - NOT for fighting/combative action)? That is the scenario that I would have gone with. I don't have a major problem with what the officials ruled, I have consistently expressed a differing opinion....isn't there room for a differing opinion? Do you absolutely have to be right and I have to be completely wrong?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

....isn't there room for a differing opinion? Do you absolutely have to be right and I have to be completely wrong?

We must indoctrinate you; you must comform; you will become...A STEPFORD REFEREE.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

It seems that several posters in here get pretty excited and emotional very quickly in a chat room of all places...

I'm too old to get excited, and I don't do that "emotional" thingy either.....

It's just my humble opinion that saying Hansborough initiated the contact on this play is a completely ridiculous statement. Almost as ridiculous as saying that Henderson was just protecting himself by smacking Hansborough in the face and breaking his nose. If what you are saying is true, then if a foul had to be called, Hansborough should have been charged with the foul instead of Henderson.