Did anyone see the end of the A&M vs Texas game tonight.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Well stated. Thank pulling this U2 out of the fire Crew Chief!

No prob. It's what we U99's do

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

No prob. It's what we U99's do

LOL!

[Nevadaref]

I happened to be at a meeting this evening, so I recorded the game. After watching the final foul a few times I have to say that it clearly meets the definition of an intentional personal foul and it is a shame that Larry Rose, who was the Trail official tableside, only called a common foul.

Hank Nichols will likely be putting this play on a training video and might even send out a bulletin. He can't be happy after watching that clip.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I happened to be at a meeting this evening, so I recorded the game. After watching the final foul a few times I have to say that it clearly meets the definition of an intentional personal foul and it is a shame that Larry Rose, who was the Trail official tableside, only called a common foul.

Hank Nichols will likely be putting this play on a training video and might even send out a bulletin. He can't be happy after watching that clip.

It will not go on the training tape because the NCAA does not use plays from regular season games normally. It might go on a bulletin though.

Peace

[FrankHtown]

I believe a common recourse in the Big XII, is for the President of the afflicted school, to send a letter to somebody, demanding the game be declared "no contest"

[REFVA]

I will comment and give my 2 cents of whaT I think may happen. IF A&M feels that a unjust call was made? An official protest will be filed and the committee will review and then take proper action. whether correct call or not it's done and probably a good lesson for those officials. I find that what may be obvious to fans and people watching on TV, it's toatlly different what we as officials see on the court. IMO

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by REFVA

I will comment and give my 2 cents of whaT I think may happen. IF A&M feels that a unjust call was made? An official protest will be filed and the committee will review and then take proper action. whether correct call or not it's done and probably a good lesson for those officials. I find that what may be obvious to fans and people watching on TV, it's toatlly different what we as officials see on the court. IMO

A lesson for the officials (?)...these are three big time guys

Officials: John Higgins, Larry Rose, Mike Wood

[iref4him]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I happened to be at a meeting this evening, so I recorded the game. After watching the final foul a few times I have to say that it clearly meets the definition of an intentional personal foul and it is a shame that Larry Rose, who was the Trail official tableside, only called a common foul.

Hank Nichols will likely be putting this play on a training video and might even send out a bulletin. He can't be happy after watching that clip.

I thought it was an intentional foul too. But, how many times do we as officials not call the intentional. We are engrained to let the kids decide the game and sometimes we bend the role as not to be the bad guy. It was a smart play by Texas. Take a gamble. Most refs will do what they did. Call the common foul. Watch games and ask officials - most will say that I knew it was intentional but didn't want to call it.

[REFVA]

A lesson for the officials (?)...these are three big time guys

Officials: John Higgins, Larry Rose, Mike Wood

they are human, we all make mistakes. do you think these guys don't make mistakes? I have not seen the game but so I can't comment if there was a mistake or not just generalizing. we can't let any Fans come into this thread and blanket their frustration to all the officials on this web.IMO

[ATXCoach]

From a biased observer:

Yes it was intentional by rule, but my experience in coaching is that a lot of room is granted in these late game situations by the officials.

The longhorn fans are mad at the official who administered the last free throw that Law missed on purpose, because they feel that he was still in the lane at the time the "shot" was taken and Atchley (#32 for Texas) couldn't get around the ref to block out the guy who ultimately got the rebound and the shot off at the buzzer. Any thoughts on this? The official was out in front of the backboard when he threw the ball to the shooter/Law for the free throw. Since we won, I don't care; just interested in knowing the procedure. Obviously it was a rare and smart play that caught everyone in burnt orange and white by surprise.

Thanks.

Go Horns!!!

[sj]

I'd like to hear some debate on this. Please don't take me asking about it for criticizing these guys because it isn't. So here's the statement.

1) The rules should be tweaked so that strategic fouls should be allowed with a lesser penalty than what is charged for an intentional.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by iref4him

I thought it was an intentional foul too. But, how many times do we as officials not call the intentional. We are engrained to let the kids decide the game and sometimes we bend the role as not to be the bad guy. It was a smart play by Texas. Take a gamble. Most refs will do what they did. Call the common foul. Watch games and ask officials - most will say that I knew it was intentional but didn't want to call it.

If that is your opinion of most refs, then that is sad. I certainly am not one of those that is too scared to make the tough call when it is the right call just because it will be unpopular.
I consider the people that fall into your characterization to be weak, and I believe that they should quit officiating.

[Adam]

It's a coaching issue, and if there are officials who won't call this, then they need to have their hands slapped. But they won't. Regardless, coaches who don't do this right are taking a risk.
How many times do you see kids trying to swipe the arm of the dribbler just to get a foul called? When they do that, the miss about 55.783740184% of the time. Then, they get frustrated we aren't calling a foul and start hugging and shoving to make sure there's a foul.
If they make an overly agressive attempt for the ball, they're less likely to get the two worst results; nothing or an intentional foul.
Should the rules committee make a change because coaches aren't good at using this strategy?

I don't know what the middle ground would be. A third free throw, perhaps? Or maybe one free throw and the ball? How about awarding two points to the offended team and giving the ball to the fouling team as if the basket had been made?

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=Snaqwells]When they do that, the miss about 55.783740184% of the time.

Where in the H-E-DOUBLE LL you come up with that percentage?

[cmathews]

at the box score, it appears that A&M only shot 65% or so from the stripe....so while the questionable call looks bad and comes at an inoportune time, that free throw percentage isn't going to win a lot of games