Stop Sign Not Considered Harmful

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Um, Old School, whatinthehell is the NFHS Official Publication Basketball Guide 04-05?

POE is short for "Points of Emphasis". POE's are found every year at the back of the NFHS rule book, right after Rule 10. They are also posted on the NFHS web site. They are not posted in the NFHS casebook, manual, comic book, etc.

Now, knowing that you have never owned an NFHS rulebook in your entire officiating career/life, are you sure that you're not looking at something that your rec league maybe gave to you? You sureashell are NOT looking at any POE related to "stop signs".

It might help if you actually knew what a POE was in the first place too.

Now let me explain this to you real S.L.O.W.L.Y. Go to the link below, moron.

http://secure.referee.com/index.cfm?...Product_ID=304

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Now let me explain this to you real S.L.O.W.L.Y. Go to the link below, moron.

http://secure.referee.com/index.cfm?...Product_ID=304

You honestly don't know or understand what a POE really is, do you? Sad.

That's a NASO/REFEREE booklet. All that little booklet does is reprint some of the NFHS stuff like new rules, etc. It's a Pre-season Guide only. If REFEREE does put something in that booklet, it's their own procedures, not the FEDs, and it sureashell isn't official in any way. Maybe your local rec league got a few of those back in 2004 to hand out to their officials in lieu of rulebooks, casebooks, manuals, etc., but these booklets don't have anything at all to do with NFHS-issued POE's.

If you had ever owned even one NFHS rulebook in your entire life, you might understand what I'm talking about.

Trying to officiate using a REFEREE magazine pre-season guide and no rule books.....Lah freaking me.....

Btw, moron? Tsk, tsk, tsk.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You honestly don't know or understand what a POE really is, do you? Sad.

That's a NASO/REFEREE booklet. All that little booklet does is reprint some of the NFHS stuff like new rules, etc. It's a Pre-season Guide only. If REFEREE does put something in that booklet, it's their own procedures, not the FEDs, and it sureashell isn't official in any way.

This actually is not true. It is an official NF Publication. It says so on the guide.

Continue on with your little spat.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This actually is not true. It is an official NF Publication. It says so on the guide.

Continue on with your little spat.

Yeah, I have the Oscars on "in the background".
This thread is more entertaining!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This actually is not true. It is an official NF Publication. It says so on the guide.

Continue on with your little spat.

Um, no. I've seen one of those booklets. REFEREE throws in some new rules, etc. issued by the FED, but do add some of their own content. The actual FED content in the booklet is just reprinted. Anything that REFEREE adds means nothing about nothing officially.

If you go to the FED website and check out what they're selling, you won't find that pre-season booklet anywhere. I just looked and I couldn't find it.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by Old School

Now let me explain this to you real S.L.O.W.L.Y. Go to the link below, moron.

http://secure.referee.com/index.cfm?...Product_ID=304

OK, this thing is published by the National Association of Sports Officials - same people that put out the Referee magazine. While that magazine does offer some good topics - many of the things in there are just plain wrong. It is not a NFHS publication - the address of the company that publishes this is in Wisconsin not Indianapolis. While they may have some sort of an endorsement from the federation it does not make it gospel.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

OK, this thing is published by the National Association of Sports Officials - same people that put out the Referee magazine. While that magazine does offer some good topics - many of the things in there are just plain wrong. It is not a NFHS publication - the address of the company that publishes this is in Wisconsin not Indianapolis. While they may have some sort of an endorsement from the federation it does not make it gospel.

You need to blow up the picture. In the top right hand corner the words, "Official Publication of the NFHS" is listed.

I am looking at a 2007 Baseball NFHS Preseason Guide as we speak. My state gives out these guides in all sports that I work currently and have been doing so for probably 4 or 5 years now.

I am not trying to agree with the debate of what was listed, but this is an official publication from the NF. I have no idea if what Old School claimed was even in the publication. But to keep saying it is not official is not only wrong, it is completely wrong.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You need to blow up the picture. In the top right hand corner the words, "Official Publication of the NFHS" is listed.

I am looking at a 2007 Baseball NFHS Preseason Guide as we speak. My state gives out these guides in all sports that I work currently and have been doing so for probably 4 or 5 years now.

I am not trying to agree with the debate of what was listed, but this is an official publication from the NF. I have no idea if what Old School claimed was even in the publication. But to keep saying it is not official is not only wrong, it is completely wrong.

Peace

Again, no matter what, there was NO POE issued in 2004-05 related to stop signs. Afaik, there has NEVER been a POE issued re: stop signs. I have the rule books going back to 2000 and I have already looked through them; there is NO POE in any of them related to stop signs. What OS found in some handout from his rec league is NOT and NEVER will be a POE. Old School doesn't even know whatthehell a POE actually is.

If there was something in that booklet, again no matter what, it was NOT a POE and wasn't relevant to this discussion. If it hadda been a POE, it woulda been in the rule book. That's the bottom line to Old School's stoopid claim.

[JRutledge]

I only posted to clarify that what was said was wrong on who produces the Pre-Season Guidebook. I realize there was no POE about this. I never agreed with that part of this thread.

Peace

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What OS found in some handout from his rec league is NOT and NEVER will be a POE.

I have my rec league handouts here, and I have no mention of stop signs here either, so mark that one off too, JR.

Okay, sorry, just trying to provide some comic relief.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Again, no matter what, there was NO POE issued in 2004-05 related to stop signs. Afaik, there has NEVER been a POE issued re: stop signs. I have the rule books going back to 2000 and I have already looked through them; there is NO POE in any of them related to stop signs. What OS found in some handout from his rec league is NOT and NEVER will be a POE. Old School doesn't even know whatthehell a POE actually is.

If there was something in that booklet, again no matter what, it was NOT a POE and wasn't relevant to this discussion. If it hadda been a POE, it woulda been in the rule book. That's the bottom line to Old School's stoopid claim.

No matter what you think, it is a fact. Do you think I just made that up. Go back and reread what I posted. You might be able to get the official copy from Referee magazine for back then.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

If you are a serious NFHS Official, you should be on this mailing list. In fact, I would make this required reading.

If you were serious about actually becoming an official one day, don't you think that maybe buying the NFHS rule book, case book and Manual might be a little more beneficial than some booklet? I'm not saying that you actually have to read them. One step at a time in your case.

Somewhere down the line you might actually learn what a POE is too.

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Old School

There is medication available for this. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you are becoming delusional. You are beginning to believe your own fantasy. I recommend a psychiatrist, but a cheaper solution is to just get some of the over-the-counter stuff.

Can I ask you a question because I honestly want to know the answer. I'm not trying to draw you into a debate.

Do you own and/or regularly study the approved NFHS rules book? Also, have you ever officiated a high school game played under the direction of NFHS rules?

[Junker]

I'll finally get in here with my $.02, not that too many people care. I think the stop sign has a time and place where it is useful. I agree that too often coaches think that they get a warning before a T. This is not always the case. I was taught to use the stop sign loud and proud. We were told that if a coach was getting out of line to take a step back, put up the hand and firmly say, "that's enough coach". The guy that taught me likes this because it is a good, firm visual statement that the coach has said too much. Then people know the T is coming. I've used the stop sign on occasion, and there are many occasions where it isn't helpful. As with much of what we do there are no absolutes. If you feel it will work for you to help you out of a situation, go ahead and use it. Just never give more than one stop sign (oops, I guess I'm giving an absolute that I just said doesn't exsist in what we do).