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This may not apply where you officiate. These are NCAA rules references: Teammates A1 and A-2 are arguing on their way to their bench after the TO is granted. A1 verbally abuses A2 and both grab each other and fall to the floor. Make a call. What do you call? You are right if you review the current 2006-07 Rule Book and conclude that there is a contradiction in Rule 4-23 and Rule 10-17. The contradiction has been dully noted by Ed Bilik, NCAA, for a change in next year's Rule Book. In Rule 10-17.a .b .c, replace the word ‘opponent’ with the word ‘individual’ and that will eliminate the contradiction. As mentioned at the clinics, Rule 4-23 was a rewrite and inadvertently the change was not made in Rule 10-17. The intent of the rewrite of 4-23 was to clarify fighting and cover the situation described above since it is becoming a prevalent occurrence. At minimum direct technical fouls can be assessed to the Team A players, however, Rule 4-23 is the dominate rule and you are correct to charge both players with flagrant technical fouls and eject them for fighting.
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Our responsibility is the game and it's participants. Somehow, I really don't think that any set of amateur rulesmakers in any sport would think that having a little ol' fight during the game is just fine with them, no matter who is fighting. |
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Well Said
Jurassic Referee: Well Said !!!
How about liability concerns for the officials involved ? If A-1 and A-2 fight in the first half, and if the officials don't address the situation, and if A-1 and A-2 fight again in the second half, and if this time A-1 falls down, fractures his or her skull and dies, will the officials be considered negligent in the application of the rules, and will the lawyer of A-1's family get involved ? |
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How about we all stop worrying that little Bobby might fall down and crush his skull leading to a long, drawn out painful death and even longer, more drawn out and painful lawsuit. Let's just do what's right because it's right.
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Now, that said, I'd give more leeway to an ... animated discussion, or a slap or similar between teammates than I would if the actions were between opponents. |
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however if they get into it by the bench and we are playing I would play on -- however if it spillith on to my court then I have an issue.
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Who cares if they are on the same team and that the rule book mentions "opponents" fighting....They are bench personnel and they aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing...sitting there and watching the game....
2 T's to the bench and 2 indirect to the coach......let the coach figure out the rest.
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If it spilleth out onto the floor, what are you gonna call? Illegal substitution? Btw, you said that you could not imagine that happening? Well, I've had it happen twice in high school football games. Once out on the field, once on the sideline. I didn't ignore either situation. |
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