Play Situation

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Why would it have to be the defensive player to be a factor in whether the call is made or not?

It doesn't, BUT in this case B1 grabbed and held the rim and the defensive player has no business grabbing and holding onto the rim unless he's protecting himself.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

It doesn't, BUT in this case B1 grabbed and held the rim and the defensive player has no business grabbing and holding onto the rim unless he's protecting himself.

Joe,

My point is that you can be preventing injury even if someone is NOT under you. It really has nothing to do with offense or defense.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Joe,

My point is that you can be preventing injury even if someone is NOT under you. It really has nothing to do with offense or defense.

Mulk, I clearly understand that point. I guess if the offensive player can grab it to prevent injurying himself or anyone in the vicinity, usually because of momentum, then I guess the defensive player can do the same as well.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

It doesn't, BUT in this case B1 grabbed and held the rim and the defensive player has no business grabbing and holding onto the rim unless he's protecting himself.

Um, Joe, on a missed shot, there is no defensive player. Or offensive player either. You use A1 and B1 just to show that they're on opposite teams.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Um, Joe, on a missed shot, there is no defensive player. Or offensive player either. You use A1 and B1 just to show that they're on opposite teams.

Gotcha JR.... In the OP is it safe to assume that B1 is in his/hers backcourt, and the aforementioned RIM was not B1's offensive rim? I'm somewhat familiar with the A1/B1 concept. I think I saw that somewhere, but thanks for the reminder..

[Adam]

I think Jurassic's point is that both players similarly have no business grabbing the rim on a rebound.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think Jurassic's point is that both players similarly have no business grabbing the rim on a rebound.

Yup, along with the fact that there is no player or team control on a shot so you don't have an offense or defense, and there also can't be a backcourt either until someone does establish player control.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, along with the fact that there is no player or team control on a shot so you don't have an offense or defense, and there also can't be a backcourt either until someone does establish player control.

You know what JR, I was actually going to say "I'm also surprised you didn't breakdown the team control or lack of it during the shot or any other rule specifics that you can interject your superior rules knowledge on any subject" but cut it out of my original response. I guess my gut feeling about you was correct and should've kept in.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

You know what JR, I was actually going to say "I'm also surprised you didn't breakdown the team control or lack of it during the shot or any other rule specifics that you can interject your superior rules knowledge on any subject" but cut it out of my original response. I guess my gut feeling about you was correct and should've kept in.

And player control is holding or dribbling a live where??? LoL

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

You know what JR, I was actually going to say "I'm also surprised you didn't breakdown the team control or lack of it during the shot or any other rule specifics that you can interject your superior rules knowledge on any subject" but cut it out of my original response. I guess my gut feeling about you was correct and should've kept in.

Joe, if you don't want people answering your posts, why post in the first place?

Don't get mad at me just because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're going on about defensive players and offensive players and backcourts when none of those exist. Try learning something about the rules instead of getting pissed off because someone points out your lack of knowledge.

Please feel free to ignore me in the future.

[howie719]

Where are you in Indiana? I moved back a little while ago.