Women's 10-second count

[DC_Ref12]

Does anyone know why there is a 10-second backcourt count for girls in NFHS but not in wommen's NCAA?

[Snake~eyes]

No shotclock in NFHS.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

No shotclock in NFHS.

Men's NCAA has a shot clock and a 10 second rule.....

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Men's NCAA has a shot clock and a 10 second rule.....

Your point?

[Texas Aggie]

There's no relationship between NFHS and NCAA anything. The only rule difference in NFHS between boys and girls is ball size. The NCAA has separate committees for their mens and women's rules.

I don't think the shot clock has anything to do with the backcourt rule, except that the women's committee MAY have felt that because their shot clock was only 30 seconds, the 10 second count was unnecessary. Or, it could be because the committee chairman one year was bounced from their tournament due, in their mind, to a bogus 10 second call!

Garth: coach was responding to snake.

[AFHusker]

In California there is no 10-second backcourt count for girls. 30 second shot clock.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Your point?

Point was they BOTH have a shot clock....and only one has a 10 second rule

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Garth: coach was responding to snake.

Yeah, I know. My point was the same as yours, there is no connection.

Washington state has 30 second shot clock for girls with no backcourt 10, but stiil a backcourt 5 for closely guarded held ball.

[CoachP]

Question still stands though....does any body know the reason why W NCAA does not have a 10 second rule? I'm curious, also.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Point was they BOTH have a shot clock....and only one has a 10 second rule

And you're comparing Mens NCAA with Girls HS? C'mon.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by GarthB

And you're comparing Mens NCAA with Girls HS? C'mon.

No..I was trying to figger out Snake eyes point.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

As I write this reply to DC_Ref12's question, there have been only two replies to his question: Snake~Eyes and CoachP. Unfortunately, both of their replies are incorrect.

Prior to the late 1980's women's college basketball used the National Association of Girls and Women in Sports (NAGWS) basketball rules. NAGWS basketball rules were loosely based on a mixture of National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada (NBCUSC), which was the forerunner of the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules Committees, and the International Federation of Basketball Associations (FIBA; USA Basketball represents the United States of America and its basketball organizations to FIBA).

Unitl a few years ago FIBA did not have a backcourt time limit; it now has an eight (8) second time limit. NAGWS did not have a backcourt time limit because it also used the FIBA thirty (30) second shot clock rule (it now uses the NBA/WNBA 24 second shot clock). FIBA's rational at the time for not having a backcourt time limit was the shot clock rule.

NAGWAS adopted other FIBA rules which are still in the NCAA Women's rules:

1) Closely guarded while holding the ball, not while dribbling, and just like in FIBA, this rule also applies to the backcourt.

2) While FIBA only allows the Head Coach to requests timeouts and this request must be made by the HC to the Official Scorer, NAGWS was using the current timeout request rule used by both the NFHS and the NCAA Men's (and NCAA Women's) in the 1960's.

So ends the history lesson.

MTD, Sr.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

So ends the history lesson.

Great lesson!

There was also a lady in my department at work trying to explain to me the 6 player scenario they also had to play with. 3 girls in the FC and 3 in the BC.

Interesting game this was...

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Great lesson!

There was also a lady in my department at work trying to explain to me the 6 player scenario they also had to play with. 3 girls in the FC and 3 in the BC.

Interesting game this was...

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Yep, I have a buddy who officiated those games back in the 80's Maybe some on this board have officiated some of those games too.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Unitl a few years ago FIBA did not have a backcourt time limit; it now has an eight (8) second time limit. NAGWS did not have a backcourt time limit because it also used the FIBA thirty (30) second shot clock rule (it now uses the NBA/WNBA 24 second shot clock). FIBA's rational at the time for not having a backcourt time limit was the shot clock rule.

FIBA extended the backcourt time limit to the whole game (10 seconds) in 1976. Prior to 1976, the time limit was in force only during the last three minutes of the game. That's not "a few years ago", is it?

At the same time, the "return in the backcourt" rule was extended to the whole game (it was only in the last 3 minutes).

It was a major rule reform: it introduced the bonus free throws (after the 10th foul in a half), instead of shooting for every foul in the last 3 minutes. It introduced also the "3 for 2" free throws for a shooting foul and the additional free throw for a shooting foul with scored basket. Some source contends that some of these rules changed in 1974, but at that time the rule changes were valid for an Olympic cycle (and 1976 was an Olympic year).

The shot clock rule was already in force during the whole game (30 seconds) since 1956.

A few years ago the backcourt time limit was reduced to 8 seconds, at the same time the shot clock was reduced to 24 seconds.