Intentional Foul Then a "T"

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

The contact did not warrent a Flagrant "T". With the Flagrant "T" she is ejected and lose the next 2 games, which would have been into the play-offs and unfair for the amount of contact.

I thought a dead ball contact foul was a flagrant. What am I thinking of?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

I thought a dead ball contact foul was a flagrant. What am I thinking of?

Got me. What are you thinking of?

1) In the post referred to, the coach yelled "foul, foul" and his player pushed an opponent into the second row. You can't call a technical foul of any kind for live-ball contact, by rule.Rule 4-19-1. That was Scrappy's very valid point.
2) A dead ball contact foul can be either an intentional or a flagrant technical foul, also by rule. Rule 4-19-5(c)

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Got me. What are you thinking of?

1) In the post referred to, the coach yelled "foul, foul" and his player pushed an opponent into the second row. You can't call a technical foul of any kind for live-ball contact, by rule.Rule 4-19-1. That was Scrappy's very valid point.
2) A dead ball contact foul can be either an intentional or a flagrant technical foul, also by rule. Rule 4-19-5(c)

In the original post, A2 bumps B1 during a dead ball. Is the rule any dead ball contact is a technical (not a flagrant, as I was thinking of)?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

In the original post, A2 bumps B1 during a dead ball. Is the rule any dead ball contact is a technical (not a flagrant, as I was thinking of)?

The original post had nothing to do with Scrappy's response, but.....

You can have intentional and flagrant personal fouls, as well as intentional or flagrant technical fouls. Dead ball contact is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant, or it's committed by or on an airborne shooter. NFHS rule 4-19-1NOTE. If you do rule the dead ball contact intentional or flagrant though, then you call an intentional technical foul or a flagrant technical foul. NFHS rule 4-19-5(c). The exception to that is an airborne shooter charging after a dead ball. That is a player control foul, which is a personal foul.

Make sense?

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The original post had nothing to do with Scrappy's response, but.....

You can have intentional and flagrant personal fouls, as well as intentional or flagrant technical fouls. Dead ball contact is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant, or it's committed by or on an airborne shooter. NFHS rule 4-19-1NOTE. If you do rule the dead ball contact intentional or flagrant though, then you call an intentional technical foul or a flagrant technical foul. NFHS rule 4-19-5(c). The exception to that is an airborne shooter charging after a dead ball. That is a player control foul, which is a personal foul.

Make sense?

Yeah, thanks for the clarification.