First Time Varsity coach

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It sounds like the person that is defensive is you. I posted a story because I thought the situation was funny. Many "respected" officials noticed that and got that point who I know have some years under their belt. I told my partners the story I worked with and they found it funny. I talked to someone through PM and at a meeting tonight. No one said they had a problem with what I said or did or even made the same point you are trying to make. They just found it funny and took it as another war story.

I learned long time ago in my officiating career that what one official does may not work for another official. I know I cannot say things that certain veterans say and get away with it. I know there are officials that cannot get away with some of the same things that I might say. Also if you actually read what I said, I was working his games so that must mean I was nobody too back then. I guess there are just some people that think you cannot make a joke or talk to people that you know will take the jest of what you are saying. I am also in sales for my day job. I deal with people all the time. I know I would not have made those same comments to the visiting coach because we did not "come up together" the same way as I did with this home coach.

I guess you are just going to have to get the stick removed from your behind and learn that the world does not revolve around you way of thinking. I will take what you say into account, but that does not mean I will change anything because what I do works for me. If that comment would have got you run out of the gym than you have to take another approach. I know what I do works very well for me.

Peace

JRut, again, get over yourself. I didn't ask you to change a thing. I gave my opinion on a comment you made. You made the big stink about it. It's funny if someone agrees with you they are one of "many respected officials", but if they disagree then they need to quit being so "hot and bothered" or other such nonsense you conjure up.

"If that comment would have got you run out of the gym than you have to take another approach. I know what I do works very well for me."

Who said anything about getting run out of a gym? Where do you come up with some of your conclusions? Again, your comprehension skills are lacking.

I'm at the huddle for the 1st horn signal and an assistant makes a comment about "watching for hand-checking", depending on the day of the week, I'll either ignore it or say "the Head coach can ask me about it" and I move on. If the assistant asks an innocuous question I'll answer it. If the assistant makes a joke, even at my expense, I'll laugh at it. You're not the only one around here blessed with a the gift of gab and an engaging personality.

But I guess in JRut's world, if your opinion doesn't agree with the masses then that means you have a stick up your a$$. "The world doesn't revolve around my way of thinking", now that's funny, especially to anybody who knows me other than through the internet. You may find it hard to believe, but I deal with people all the time also. Spent 22 years in the military dealing with folks from all 50 states and a couple dozen countries and pretty much do the same thing now as a civilian. But I guess only folks from the Midwest can have a valid perspective on anything that happens in Illinois.

Come back down here to earth with the rest of us.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

JRut, again, get over yourself. I didn't ask you to change a thing. I gave my opinion on a comment you made. You made the big stink about it. It's funny if someone agrees with you they are one of "many respected officials", but if they disagree then they need to quick being so "hot and bothered" or other such nonsense you conjure up. Who said anything about getting run out of a gym? Where do you come up with some of your conclusions? Again, your comprehension skills are lacking.

I'm at the huddle for the 1st horn signal and an assistant makes a comment about "watching for hand-checking", depending on the day of the week, I'll either ignore it or say "the Head coach can ask me about it" and I move on. If the assistant asks an innocuous question I'll answer it. If the assistant makes a joke, even at my expense, I'll laugh at it. You're not the only one around here blessed with a the gift of gab and an engaging personality.

But I guess in JRut's world, if your opinion doesn't agree with the masses then that means you have a stick up your a$$. "The world doesn't revolve around my way of thinking", now that's funny, especially to anybody who knows me other than through the internet. You may find it hard to believe, but I deal with people all the time also. Spent 22 years in the military dealing with folks from all 50 states and a couple dozen countries and pretty much do the same thing now as a civilian. But I guess only folks from the Midwest can have a valid perspective on anything that happens in Illinois.

Come back down here to earth with the rest of us.

To me your post shows how insecure in your position you are. I told a story that I found to be funny. When you took on my position I told you along with others why I disagreed with your take, which not only I have the right to do, but you have the right to disagree with my position. Now you are going off on things that were not in the original post or about the topic. I am glad that you think you military dealings are the only thing important to everyone on this board. It is not to me, but thank you for giving your time and energy to a country that often lets people in your situation down. I did not include my life story in this post and in this thread. If you think I should not have said something to the AC the way I did, as I stated I will take that under advisement, but I have been doing this long enough that I can easily reject your advice because you were not there and you do not hire me for any games at any time. I guess some will say that it is arrogant to say something like that, but to me successful people do not listen to every Tom, Dick and Harry that gives an opinion. We are here after all to share opinions and to have discussions. That does not mean we all have to hold hands on every issue and agree with each other no matter how controversial the topic might be. There are some officials that off this board I respect tremendously, but I would not agree with everything they do. Maybe you are not removed enough from your service that you do not realize that in the real world people do not follow orders and only do what someone that feels superior tells them what to do. I guess if I agreed with you then everything would be alright with the world. I guess then I would not be in my own world (but let us also point out that others in this thread had no problem with the interaction as well). I guess sometimes people have to feel important by calling a bunch of names. I have not once said anything person towards you other than addressing what you choose to bring up. I will discontinue this conversation and you can go on calling me whatever you like to satisfy your needs.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

1)...I am glad that you think you military dealings are the only thing important to everyone on this board. It is not to me, but thank you for giving your time and energy to a country that often lets people in your situation down. I did not include my life story in this post and in this thread...2) Maybe you are not removed enough from your service that you do not realize that in the real world people do not follow orders and only do what someone that feels superior tells them what to do...3) I guess sometimes people have to feel important by calling a bunch of names... I have not once said anything person towards you other than addressing what you choose to bring up.

Peace

1) JRut msg21" I am also in sales for my day job. I deal with people all the time." Guess there goes you theory about not including your life story. My point was that working in sales is not the only calling in life in which folks deal with people all the time.

2) I missed the part where I took an order or gave an order. I think I stated an opinion:BNR msg2 "I think a little unnecessary verbiage on your part. Opens the door for possible inappropriate responses." Notice the words "I think", which equates to IMO. That was then entirety of my original response. My next response: BNR msg7 "I was referring to possible comments from the head coach. I couldn't care less about assistants. I would probably would have just ignored the assistant." Again, I'm stating what I would do. Not asking or ordering you to change a thing. Like I said previously, anybody who knows me in real life would laugh at your psycho-analysis of me. Especially my boss. Me? Blindly follow orders? Now that is hysterical.

3) JRut msg19 " If that is something you would get all hot and bothered" JRut msg21 "I guess you are just going to have to get the stick removed from your behind and learn that the world does not revolve around you way of thinking." Those 2 comments were personal towards me. As far as name-calling, I've searched high & low and can't find where I called you a name. I said you were "full of yourself" and "you lack comprehension skills" both opinions I based solely on what you wrote in this thread.

If my opinions are so unimportant then feel free to ignore them. But is the fact that other people in this thread "had no problem with the interaction as well" supposed to have some sort of significance? They are entitled to their opinions. Sorry if I'm not playing the role of the good soldier and marching in step with everyone else. I guess I am "removed enough from my service that I do realize that in the real world people do not follow orders".

How about following your own advice. I disagreed with you. Get over it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How about following your own advice. I disagreed with you. Get over it.

You are the one ranting about it. I was telling a story, you are trying to make a value judgment on all the contents of the story. I am perfectly happy with what I said. Are you as secure in the position that others might be taking against you?

Anything you want to lecture to me about?

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are the one ranting about it. I was telling a story, you are trying to make a value judgment on all the contents of the story. I am perfectly happy with what I said. Are you as secure in the position that others might be taking against you?

Anything you want to lecture to me about?

Peace

Well, if this question is open to everyone...Buffalo isn't considered part of the east coast...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Well, if this question is open to everyone...Buffalo isn't considered part of the east coast...

Well maybe we should take a poll on both issues and see what everyone thinks.

Peace

[deecee]

MEOW ...

[SMEngmann]

First, I want to clarify the comments that I made. I will not permit arguing, nor will I argue with an assistant coach, and I have little tolerance with arguing from head coaches. I will also not allow assistant coaches to continually question me. My argument, though, is that in my experience, we as officials are too dismissive of assistant coaches immediately, and that could create an unwanted air of officiousness and it could cut off future avenues. For instance, if an assistant says something like "can you watch 44's screens for me" during a timeout, I will likely respond politely with, "sure" or "I'll give it a look." The attitude, and maybe I'm wrong, that I get from a lot of officials, is that their response would be more along the lines of, "I don't talk to assistant coaches," or "He's the only one that does the talking here (referring to HC)." I think that mentality is counter-productive. I will not, though allow constant questioning or discussion from assistant coaches. I don't work D1 basketball, but in the D1 games that I have watched, there is a good amount of interaction between the assistants and the officials, particularly during timeouts, and not once have I seen the officials rebuff them simply because they are assistants.

JRut, in terms of your baseball argument, I do not umpire baseball, so I can't comment on that, nor do I think you can really equate the two sports. However, the point that you made referred to an assistant coach coming out to argue, which, from my point of view is different than say, if there was a play at 1st base and the first base coach, who is right there, started to dispute the call (before the HC eventually came out). Do you immediately dump the 1st base coach just for questioning your call?

Maybe I'm reading a little too much into this, but I just think assistant coaches can be valuable tools for us in terms of game management, and I don't think that dismissing them immediately just because they're assistants is prudent.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are the one ranting about it. I was telling a story, you are trying to make a value judgment on all the contents of the story. I am perfectly happy with what I said. Are you as secure in the position that others might be taking against you?

Anything you want to lecture to me about?

Peace

The "positions that others might be taking against" me? What are you talking about? One person directly disagreed with me, Dan_ref. I didn't know battle lines were being drawn. You need to calm down a bit. I know the weather is bad and everything, but geez.

I'll repeat: I disagreed with something you said. I stated why I disagreed. That's it. You're the one coming here typing nonsense like "hot and bothered" (exaggeration) and "stick up your behind" (rude) and "I am glad that you think you military dealings are the only thing important to everyone on this board" (where you got this I don't know ) and "to a country that often lets people in your situation down" (pertinent to this conversation? ).

Let it go! Wooo-saa, Wooo-saa

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The "positions that others might be taking against" me? What are you talking about? One person directly disagreed with me, Dan_ref. I didn't know battle lines were being drawn. You need to calm down a bit. I know the weather is bad and everything, but geez.

We really have not gotten over being in the military. We are talking about battle lines us against me mentality is being thrown out all over the place. (It is called sarcasm).

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll repeat: I disagreed with something you said. I stated why I disagreed. That's it. You're the one coming here typing nonsense like "hot and bothered" (exaggeration) and "stick up your behind" (rude) and "I am glad that you think you military dealings are the only thing important to everyone on this board" (where you got this I don't know ) and "to a country that often lets people in your situation down" (pertinent to this conversation? ).

I used the "hot and bothered back" on the first page from what I recall. I do not recall saying anything like that since. Also being hot and bothered was my observation to something you seemed to be the only person having a problem with. Also that was a sarcastic comment meant to bring more levity to this discussion. I tend to have a very dry sense of humor and I take things like this not very seriously. Then you questioned my motives for even posting what I characterized as a funny story. I have even said that I respect your position, even though I do not agree with it. What else do you want me to say? You are not the guru of every thing officiating. I can disagree with something you say. I am sure I will do it again on a completely different topic if you give it a chance.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Let it go! Wooo-saa, Wooo-saa

You are the one that keeps repeating the same phrases over and over again that I only said once and I need to get over it? Interesesting.

Peace