JV coach ejection

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by cmathews

I have heard from more than one camp, when dealing with game managment issues, there is a difference between "that was a bs call" and "you are a bs official"....

Maybe in college.....not in high school. No place for it there(supposedly).

[Ignats75]

There is a misconception that if the rant isn't personally directed at the official that the official shouldn't whack the coach.

WHile I have told non ref friends that the magic word isn't what they think it is, its "YOU" for a laugh, there is a modicum of truth to it. However, its not just that. Its the body language. Its the demeanor. Its the historionics that goes along with the rant that can still draw a Technical even if the rant is not directed at the official but at the call instead.

I had a coach tell me quietly that the last call was "BS", and I let it go. He didn't show me up. He didn't get the crowd wound up. So I just ignored him. He let me know. I heard him. The game went on.

[robertclasalle]

Originally Posted by AFHusker

I was thinking the same thing. Were they notified that if the coach didn't leave, the game would be forfeited?

I didn't want it to escalate any worse than it did. I dragged my feet about forfeiting the game but my partner and I were prepared to do that if he didn't leave. Thankfully, he did, and we finished the game without further incident.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

10 minutes for the coach to leave? Isn't that grounds for a forfeit?

My sentiments exactly. 10 minutes was 8-9 minutes to long. Forfeit the game and send a copy of the report to the school, school board and the state high school association. Both the coach and AD should be suspended, fined or fired.

[robertclasalle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Great job, Robert. Actions like that benefit all sports officials. May I suggest that you also ask your IAABO board to send a copy of your report to the principal of that school as well as to their school board. If they won't, you do it.

My IAABO chapter secretary forwarded my report to the NJSIAA (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association). They are the sanctioning authority for high school sports. It was also forwarded to the Principal, because the AD told me the next day (tongue in cheek), "Thanks to you, Bob, I now have to meet with my Principal." He said this in a joking manner, not disrespectfully or critically.

[SmokeEater]

Sounds like there is some type of History between you and the AD!

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

My sentiments exactly. 10 minutes was 8-9 minutes to long. Forfeit the game and send a copy of the report to the school, school board and the state high school association. Both the coach and AD should be suspended, fined or fired.

As a matter of fact the rule specifically states "Ejected adult bench personnel should leave the vicinity (out of sight and sound) of the playing area IMMEDIATELY.... Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited.

[Eastshire]

I think I would have ejected the AD as well, using the standard fan ejection method. There is no place for threatening of officials by school personnel. I hope that the AD is sanctioned in some manner.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I think I would have ejected the AD as well, using the standard fan ejection method. There is no place for threatening of officials by school personnel. I hope that the AD is sanctioned in some manner.

the standard fan ejection procedure where I am is to ask (usually the AD) to remove the offending party....that would be a good one...hey Mr AD I need you to remove someone...AD: "who is it" official: " ummm can you go look in the mirror" LOL

[bgtg19]

Great job handling this situation, including being patient and avoiding the forfeit. I'm glad you're an official.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by robertclasalle

My IAABO chapter secretary forwarded my report to the NJSIAA (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association). They are the sanctioning authority for high school sports. It was also forwarded to the Principal, because the AD told me the next day (tongue in cheek), "Thanks to you, Bob, I now have to meet with my Principal." He said this in a joking manner, not disrespectfully or critically.

Great job, Robert. That's exactly what's needed to ensure that crap like that doesn't happen again to a different official.

You also gained the respect of that AD from the sound of it.

[chartrusepengui]

I think you did a great job but I think that the forfeit was something that might have been needed. You said that you gave him the T because his comments were teaching the players disrespect for authority. He too, was being disrespectful all the way through to the point where he refused to leave and quite frankly "won" the battle although it appears he lost the war. When he continued to challenge you by refusing to leave - I think I would have gone to the timer and given him 30 seconds to be off before a forfeit was declared. If the coach didn't go - call the forfeit. I think you lost some integrity by not doing it. But - that said - I wasn't there to see/hear/sense the whole situation.

[Splute]

I believe the book recommends forfeits and appling T's on fans as very last resorts. I think this was handled as best it could be. Be patient. Good job. The game is for the players; they ultimately loose in these situations.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

Good point. I should point out that this particular coach's comments were directed toward my partner and I specifically, not to our calls in general. My partner told me after the game that he caught a few "You guys are pathetic" throughout the game, but apparently didn't feel the need to whack him as well.

Were you [DC_Ref12] robertclasalle's partner? Your comments sound like firsthand participation.

[BillyMac]

Boys varsity game last night. Player A-1 is first to get a loose ball on the floor. He's on the ground when he controls the ball. I'm waiting for him to call timeout, or for a defender to also grab the ball, for a held ball, or for a defender to foul A-1, or for A-1 to pass or to start a dribble while on the floor. Instead, none of those happen. He stands up and then begins a dribble. I call a travel violation. The coach of Team A, a highly respected former Division I player, and a well respected coach, is right behind me. He says "That's not a travel". I say to him "If he dribbled and then stood up it would be legal, but instead he stood up and then dribbled, which is a travel". He responds to me "I hate it when...". I'm ready for some "T-able" comment, until he finishes with "...your right". Some coaches are OK.