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Nevada, I think you are either getting caught up with someone talking about incidental contact or focusing on the rulebook too much.
In this particular instance, if a player is pushed out of bounds the onus should not be on them to keep from violating. Ask yourself this, "What did the offensive player do to violate?" Did the offensive player violate on his/her own?
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That's a foul.
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Try reversing it. If a defender tries to go between an offensive player, who is standing with the ball, and the boundary line when there is less than 3' of space, and the defender shoves the player with the ball OOB while doing so, or makes the player with the ball travel, according to what you've posted so far that isn't a foul. Correct? |
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"A dribbler shall not charge into nor contact an opponent in his/her path nor attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him or her to go through without contact." "There must be reasonable space between two defensive players or a defensive player and a boundary line to allow the dribbler to continue in his/her path. If there is less than 3 feet of space, the dribbler has the greater responsibility for the contact." |
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If the defender illegally contacts the dribbler (includes but not limited to push, shove, bump, move into, tickle, kick or punch) and that contact causes the dribbler to go OOB it is a foul. Period.
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Snaq, while I understand where you are coming from that is bad practice. Working the same everytime out is the better practice.
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![]() We don't ref every game the same. I don't do a 7th grade girls game the same way I did tonights 5A JV boys game. Now, that said, I stay within the rules in all of them; it's just that the rules allow for more severe contact when the players are stronger and faster and more balanced. I realize I'm talking about, essentially, ignoring a call and going with a (gasp) makeup call; and I'm not comfortable with it when put into those words. I have to admit it's what it is, though. That said, I can understand how some would do it at the adult rec-league level. And, if someone from the fouling team (that my partner just saved a foul) comes b!tching to me about how my partner can't do that, I'm not going to have a lot of sympathy if they just whined themselves into the correct call. Maybe that's why I don't do rec ball; I'd get eaten alive.
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Rec ball is the same old problem to me. If we all did it right, the players would adjust or someone in the league would get different officials. If we all were on the same page they would either adjust or play the games with no refs.
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