Repeated Lane Violation

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

...that would be the height of ridiculousness.

That's not very high, anyway. I remember once you called Chuck ridiculous, and he wasn't very high...

I've always wonder what the Fed actually means by the wording, "actionless contest". I would think shooting and missing FT's would be considered "action". I'm not convinced a repeated violation would be considered "actionless". I wish they would put in a couple of case plays to let us know what they consider an "actionless contest" before we start applying that part of the rule book.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I remember once you called Chuck ridiculous, and he wasn't very high...

Chuck who?

The Chuck that I knew could have been called the height of shortness.

[NDRef]

One obvious solution that hasn't been suggested is simply NOT calling the violation (when it is obvious that they intend to do it repeatedly). As an official I would welcome that "write up" from the coach to the state office--"the referee failed to call a violation on my team in the last 2 seconds when I was trying to force the opponent to make a free throw when they were intent on missing--it's just not fair". No technicals, no arguments--just good game management.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by NDRef

One obvious solution that hasn't been suggested is simply NOT calling the violation (when it is obvious that they intend to do it repeatedly). As an official I would welcome that "write up" from the coach to the state office--"the referee failed to call a violation on my team in the last 2 seconds when I was trying to force the opponent to make a free throw when they were intent on missing--it's just not fair". No technicals, no arguments--just good game management.

That's what I meant when I said, there could be "justification for not seeing it." There's also precedent at the end of a game, with the instruction to ignore defensive violations designed to take away an obvious advantage; specifically going OOB unauthorized or reaching across the OOB plane to try to stop the clock.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by NDRef

One obvious solution that hasn't been suggested is simply NOT calling the violation (when it is obvious that they intend to do it repeatedly). As an official I would welcome that "write up" from the coach to the state office--"the referee failed to call a violation on my team in the last 2 seconds when I was trying to force the opponent to make a free throw when they were intent on missing--it's just not fair". No technicals, no arguments--just good game management.

That's how I would handle it...didn't see the 4th violation, didn't call it, clock runs out, game over. No T's, no wondering who to call it on - just get done and get out.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

That's how I would handle it...didn't see the 4th violation, didn't call it, clock runs out, game over. No T's, no wondering who to call it on - just get done and get out.

I would agree to not calling it if they stepped in right before the shot....they were stepping in as soon as the ball was bounced to the shooter.....actually the first time the shooter had to be instructed to go ahead and shoot the ball.....as you can tell it was a blatant violation...I guess you could still ignore it to get the game over with.....

The more I read, the happier I am I wasn't on the court....

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

I would agree to not calling it if they stepped in right before the shot....they were stepping in as soon as the ball was bounced to the shooter.....actually the first time the shooter had to be instructed to go ahead and shoot the ball.....as you can tell it was a blatant violation...I guess you could still ignore it to get the game over with.....

The more I read, the happier I am I wasn't on the court....

If it is this blatent, I have no problem at all going to the T for unsportsmanlike conduct. A sportsman attempts to play the game according to the rules. Willful violations of a rule is unsportsmanlike. Continued violations before the release cannot not be viewed as anything but willful.

[Adam]

The NFHS specifies that it's okay to ignore defensive violations when they're specifically used to negate a legal advantage.
Examples given are when the defense tries to step across the throwin line to stop the clock when they're out of timeouts at the end of the game(or grabs the ball after a made shot for the same purpose) and when the defense steps OOB while an offensive player has an uncontested layup.
If my assigner questioned me later, I think I'd be able to justify ignoring this no matter how blatant.