6 on the floor!!!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm not against preventive officiating. I am against officials making up their own rules.

Methinks you've yet to learn the difference.

If you can prevent a team from having six players on the court, fine. The bottom line, though, is that it's still the coach's job to get the right number of players out there. Don't blame the officials for a coach that hasn't done his job. And if they do somehow have 6 out there, you just call the "T". If you don't, you're screwing the other team....you know, the team that knows what they're doing.

Exactly. While I am very careful in not putting the ball in play with 6 on the floor, once it happens, it's a T. Period. And the coaches never blame the officials, either -- only the officials blame other officials in this situation.

I will say I've blown it dead after a parter has handed the ball to a player since, well, I had my hand up and my partner chose to ignore me. I wasn't ready, therefore, my partner CAN'T make it live. My hand was up. Tweet.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I will say I've blown it dead after a parter has handed the ball to a player since, well, I had my hand up and my partner chose to ignore me. I wasn't ready, therefore, my partner CAN'T make it live. My hand was up. Tweet.

That is preventive officiating. You try to prevent the violation by both officials quickly counting the players, the non-administering official holding his hand up until his count is finished, and the administering official finishing his count and then checking on his partner's hand. If you've still got your hand up, either still counting or waiting for somebody to leave, then just re-set it if your partner blows through your stop sign.

[Time2Ref]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Exactly. While I am very careful in not putting the ball in play with 6 on the floor, once it happens, it's a T. Period. And the coaches never blame the officials, either -- only the officials blame other officials in this situation.

I will say I've blown it dead after a parter has handed the ball to a player since, well, I had my hand up and my partner chose to ignore me. I wasn't ready, therefore, my partner CAN'T make it live. My hand was up. Tweet.

Nice method. I count both teams every time they enter the court, no matter which position I am in. I'm not doing anything else anyway. But, as the non-administering official I would give my partner the thumbs-up. Some make eye contact, others just don't even look my way. I like the "hand up" method much better. It makes more sense.

I once was lead at the start of the quarter (2-man), right in front of the vistor's bench. I count the players and notice that V has six entering the game. My partner wasn't looking for my thumbs-up, so I start telling the coach "Count -em coach, Count-em coach....COUNT EM COACH!". Partner starts the throw-in and the quarter starts with 11 players on the court. I blow the whistle and issue the T. But I wasn't very happy about it.

I can see where your method would have prevented this from happening. Thanks.

[Camron Rust]

One unofficial mechanic that I heard mentioned (here I believe) that would prevent most, if not all, 6 player situations is to only have the official holding the ball bring in the subs. That would mean that there would be no way that the administering official could put the ball in play while a partner was bringing in subs. Again, not an official mechanic but it sounds like it could be a good idea.

[BillyMac]

In most situations on our local board, the official who beckons in the substitutes is responsible to make sure that we have the correct number of players on the court, and we hold up our hand until we're satisfied that we have the correct number. When I beckon in substitutes, I don't count five or ten, I say to myself "three in, three out" or "two and one in, two and one out" for players from two teams.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Exactly. While I am very careful in not putting the ball in play with 6 on the floor, once it happens, it's a T. Period. And the coaches never blame the officials, either -- only the officials blame other officials in this situation.

I will say I've blown it dead after a parter has handed the ball to a player since, well, I had my hand up and my partner chose to ignore me. I wasn't ready, therefore, my partner CAN'T make it live. My hand was up. Tweet.

I was at a Ga. Tech game last year and Higgins started the resumption of play with 6 players on the court - TWICE. No T. Just blew whistle and got the player off the court - BOTH TIMES.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

I was at a Ga. Tech game last year and Higgins started the resumption of play with 6 players on the court - TWICE. No T. Just blew whistle and got the player off the court - BOTH TIMES.

Would that be Tim or John?

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Exactly. While I am very careful in not putting the ball in play with 6 on the floor, once it happens, it's a T. Period. And the coaches never blame the officials, either -- only the officials blame other officials in this situation.

I will say I've blown it dead after a parter has handed the ball to a player since, well, I had my hand up and my partner chose to ignore me. I wasn't ready, therefore, my partner CAN'T make it live. My hand was up. Tweet.

Rich,

I would handle this just like you do. But, just because you have YOUR hand up, does that "prevent" the ball from becoming live? Or, do you just mean that it should not have become live, so no T?

The reason that I ask is that if you have this situation in the shooting of f.throws, then that ruling is not a do over. IOW, your partners CAN cause the ball to become live with or without your approval. Right?