My Partner Asked Me If I Was T Happy

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

However, the rule also states.

"When a team secures control, that team remains in control until the ball is in flight...., or an opponent has secured control. This has an influenence on rules such as team control fouls, 3-seconds violations, and frontcourt/backcourt. No team (repeat JR), no team has control while the ball is dead, during a throw-in or jump, nor during the period following any of these acts when the ball is slapped away from other players in an attempt to secure control.

Yes, it surely does say that. And just as surely, you don't have a clue what those rules statements are actually telling you. All of that is ONLY relevant when there has been NO team control established yet. It has got absolutely nothing to do with any situation that occurs AFTER team control has been established and BEFORE it is lost. That includes a 3-second call on an interrupted dribble.

Don't try to fake something that you don't know, Old School. This isn't a rec league that you're dealing with here. There's real, live officials on this forum. People that own real, honest-to- goodness rule books too, and actually know what's in them.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Wouldn't this, by some obscure definition somewhere, be labeled a "game interrupter?"

Yes.

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by Old School

I do have a weapon, I won't call it a secret weapon but it's something that works 90% of the time and I don't have to give a T, especially with calls like this. Feel free to use it. I grab my whistle and I look at the complaining coach and I'll say; "do you want to ref this game today?" "Tell you what, you ref the game and I'll sit down and coach." Most of the time the coaches will settle down and let me do my job, and it is my job to determine what is a 3-sec violation today, not theirs and I really don't care how you feel about it.

I officiate football as well, and I also coach a junior high football team. I had an official say that exact line to me one time and he was quite surprised when I said "Yes" and stuck out my hand for his whistle. He didn't know what to do, and then just walked away muttering. I doubt he still uses that line.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, it surely does say that. And just as surely, you don't have a clue what those rules statements are actually telling you. All of that is ONLY relevant when there has been NO team control established yet. It has got absolutely nothing to do with any situation that occurs AFTER team control has been established and BEFORE it is lost. That includes a 3-second call on an interrupted dribble.

Oh sure, let's change the meaning from what's stated to what you think it should be. To hell with what's written, right?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Don't try to fake something that you don't know, Old School. This isn't a rec league that you're dealing with here. There's real, live officials on this forum. People that own real, honest-to- goodness rule books too, and actually know what's in them.

Nobody ever said this was a rec league forum but you. I don't doubt that there's live officials out here, but I will have to question the real part. You see real officials don't try so hard to discredit other officials for no good reason. You see real officials have more integrity than what you and most the others display, but that's JMO. It is also my opinion that real officials don't try to show off there knowledge by berating others, but then again, that's JMO.

[deecee]

OS -- right is right and wrong is wrong

in this case wrong is OS.

if i can accept it so can you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Oh sure, let's change the meaning from what's stated to what you think it should be. To hell with what's written, right?

Okay. Until now, I subscribed to Juulie's theory about you being a former college athlete who dabbled in officiating. Now, I'm less convinced that you've even been to college. Not that there's anything wrong with that, as I know plenty of smart people who haven't been to college.

However, your reading comprehension seems a bit lacking. Go back and read the rule you quoted. It does say what JR says it does. If you can't see that, then you're a lost cause.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) Oh sure, let's change the meaning from what's stated to what you think it should be. To hell with what's written, right?

2) that's JMO.

1) There is only one meaning stated. Unfortunately, you don't understand that meaning, or the explanation of the meaning.

2) That's obvious.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

I officiate football as well, and I also coach a junior high football team. I had an official say that exact line to me one time and he was quite surprised when I said "Yes" and stuck out my hand for his whistle. He didn't know what to do, and then just walked away muttering. I doubt he still uses that line.

I would have told you like I told this one coach. First thing you gonna have to do is go get a shirt. The next thing you're going to need is somebody to give you an assignment because this assignmnet is mined and you can't have it. However, I do have an extra whistle! The key thing here is now we're not talking about the play or call in question anymore. I have gotten your attention off the call and on to something else in which I'm in control of, even if it's briefly, but the conversation is now going in a different direction and my hidden message is clear. I've taken about all I'm going to take from you tonight. Notice how I never said that.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Old School

I would have told you like I told this one coach. First thing you gonna have to do is go get a shirt. The next thing you're going to need is somebody to give you an assignment because this assignmnet is mined and you can't have it. However, I do have an extra whistle!.

so how long did you have to "mine" to get this assignment...and the fact that it was offered to him to me means you better be able to follow through with your offer.....

Originally Posted by Old School

The key thing here is now we're not talking about the play or call in question anymore. I have gotten your attention off the call and on to something else in which I'm in control of, even if it's briefly, but the conversation is now going in a different direction and my hidden message is clear. I've taken about all I'm going to take from you tonight. Notice how I never said that.

is it really a hidden message anymore if you bring it out in the open....and it is kind of like a joke that you have to explain to people...it kind of loses the effect...

all I can really say is WOW

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I would have told you like I told this one coach. First thing you gonna have to do is go get a shirt. The next thing you're going to need is somebody to give you an assignment because this assignmnet is mined and you can't have it. However, I do have an extra whistle! The key thing here is now we're not talking about the play or call in question anymore. I have gotten your attention off the call and on to something else in which I'm in control of, even if it's briefly, but the conversation is now going in a different direction and my hidden message is clear. I've taken about all I'm going to take from you tonight. Notice how I never said that.

Now I'm just laughing.

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by Old School

I would have told you like I told this one coach. First thing you gonna have to do is go get a shirt. The next thing you're going to need is somebody to give you an assignment because this assignmnet is mined and you can't have it. However, I do have an extra whistle! The key thing here is now we're not talking about the play or call in question anymore. I have gotten your attention off the call and on to something else in which I'm in control of, even if it's briefly, but the conversation is now going in a different direction and my hidden message is clear. I've taken about all I'm going to take from you tonight. Notice how I never said that.

Yeah, but now as a coach I realize you don't mean what you say. Why did you offer me your whistle and ask me if I wanted to do it if I also needed a shirt and to call your assignor? Your whole argument lacks any intelligence and now I really know that you have no clue what you are doing. If you are so rattled that in one minute you offer me your whistle but in the next second you say the job is yours, it just lets me know you are clueless and now, because I have a big heart, I will let you continue bumbling around because there is no need to embarass you any further.

[mplagrow]

Wow, Big2Cat, I'm impressed. It didn't take you long to come that realization.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

Yeah, but now as a coach I realize you don't mean what you say. Why did you offer me your whistle and ask me if I wanted to do it if I also needed a shirt and to call your assignor? Your whole argument lacks any intelligence and now I really know that you have no clue what you are doing. If you are so rattled that in one minute you offer me your whistle but in the next second you say the job is yours, it just lets me know you are clueless and now, because I have a big heart, I will let you continue bumbling around because there is no need to embarass you any further.

Actually it's just the opposite. This type of back and forward goes on all the time in basketball games. Come on, as the coach, don't tell me you're not trying to work me as the official. Now, I just worked you! The reason I offered you the whistle is to get you to stop complaining about the 3 seconds call, which I was successful. Now that we are on to something else, I can now get safetly out of the conversation without having to give you a T. Now if you make a dump-azz comment like what JR suggested, you be headed to the locker room and I still worked you.

Coach, I know you're looking for an angle to get back at me, but this is one of the reasons why I use it. Call it intelligent or not, but there's not a lot of places you can go with this one. It's gets straight to the point, like jumping to the end game. You can either leave by way of ejection or shut up and let me do my job.

[Big2Cat]

Then why not just say "be quiet or you're gone?" By offering me your whistle you are telling me you are not up for the job, and because I am in complete agreement I agree.

You are working someone here, but it is only yourself. You have made it clear that:

1. You want me to ref because you can't
2. You didn't mean what you said because you retracted your offer
3. Because your bluff got called and you have nowhere to run, you will toss me from the game.

Seems like a good strategy. I advise all young officials to embrace it. In fact, if you are new, take it a step further. Bring an extra shirt and have your cell phone with you so you can call your assignor and offer the job away.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

Then why not just say "be quiet or you're gone?"

You are working someone here, but it is only yourself. You have made it clear that:

1. You want me to ref because you can't
2. You didn't mean what you said because you retracted your offer
3. Because your bluff got called and you have nowhere to run, you will toss me from the game.

What is clear here Big2Cat is I successfully changed the arguement. Mission accomplish. The issues you are raising now is not important enough for me to answer, back to the game.

A wise man once said: there is more than one way to skin a cat, especially a Big Cat!

Peace