My Partner Asked Me If I Was T Happy

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I do have a weapon, I won't call it a secret weapon but it's something that works 90% of the time and I don't have to give a T, especially with calls like this. Feel free to use it. I grab my whistle and I look at the complaining coach and I'll say; "do you want to ref this game today?" "Tell you what, you ref the game and I'll sit down and coach." Most of the time the coaches will settle down and let me do my job, and it is my job to determine what is a 3-sec violation today, not theirs and I really don't care how you feel about it.

This might work with rec league coaches, but I can virtually guarantee if you try this with a high school or college coach, you have at least an 82.5783468018% chance of moving to a technical foul within 3.7 seconds (not taking into account the time it takes tomegun to issue and retract his stop sign.)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This might work with rec league coaches, but I can virtually guarantee if you try this with a high school or college coach, you have at least an 82.5783468018% chance of moving to a technical foul within 3.7 seconds (not taking into account the time it takes tomegun to issue and retract his stop sign.)

The obvious answer to "Tell you what, you ref the game and I'll sit down and coach" is "I might as well, seeing the sh!tty job you're doing". And in Old School's case, the coach would probably be right.

Yup, never say nonsense like that to any coach outside of rec leagues. Even in rec leagues, it's not a good idea because you're just baiting the coach right back. Either deal with it or ignore it.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The obvious answer to "Tell you what, you ref the game and I'll sit down and coach"

No - it's "Let's switch places. You come out here and ref and I'll sit on the bench and act like a jackass."

Davism #3.

[Ignats75]

OK...Proving that I am not infallible , I have heard back from my assignor/interpretor. Pump fakes should not cause the three point count to suspend. Only an actual move to the basket should do that. Obviously, that also clears up my confusion regarding shooting fouls.

I humbly bow to you others who were right.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

OK...Proving that I am not infallible , I have heard back from my assignor/interpretor. Pump fakes should not cause the three point count to suspend. Only an actual move to the basket should do that. Obviously, that also clears up my confusion regarding shooting fouls.

I humbly bow to you others who were right.

So your assignor is always right then?

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

So your assignor is always right then?

Can't be. It's my assignor that is always right, at least in my area. Actually I'm lucky to have an excellent assignor, but I just had to jump in on that one.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

So your assignor is always right then?

You better believe it!!! Isn't that right sir?

Actually I have differnt assignors for each conference that I work. This one specifically is also an official rules interpretor for the OHSAA.

Originally posted by Old School
Disagree, there is no team control during a loss or interrupted dribble.

Exactly where did you learn THAT piece of information????

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

OK...Proving that I am not infallible , I have heard back from my assignor/interpretor. Pump fakes should not cause the three point count to suspend. Only an actual move to the basket should do that. Obviously, that also clears up my confusion regarding shooting fouls.

I humbly bow to you others who were right.

Glad that you finally came around. It is okay that we disagree with each other from time to time. It is often the stimulus for how we learn and improve.

We do however reserve the right to blast you with strange pictures of squirrels and other assorted items for your transgression.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This might work with rec league coaches, but I can virtually guarantee if you try this with a high school or college coach, you have at least an 82.5783468018% chance of moving to a technical foul within 3.7 seconds (not taking into account the time it takes tomegun to issue and retract his stop sign.)

That would be a bad guarantee. I have done this many of times with college coaches and the like and the results have always been the same. It ended the discussion and I didn't have to access a T. To me it is a unique and intelligent way to say, I'm done talking about this subject and we're going to move on. Now, in the rare case where we can't move on.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The obvious answer to "Tell you what, you ref the game and I'll sit down and coach" is "I might as well, seeing the sh!tty job you're doing". And in Old School's case, the coach would probably be right.

Yup, never say nonsense like that to any coach outside of rec leagues. Even in rec leagues, it's not a good idea because you're just baiting the coach right back. Either deal with it or ignore it.

This type of response doesn't surprise me coming from you JR. You have that throw an official under the bus mentallity. Now tell me, how does it feel? Go ahead and share.

However, in the rare event that a coach was to make a statement like this. He's done for the day. Doesn't matter how many technicals he got. If he has zero T's for the day, he's still ejected. Remember, you don't have to give a coach 2 technical before he's ejected. In fact, if he was to say something like that to me. I would go into my old baseball umpire routine and give him the hee-hoe, you're out of here! mechanic. And yes, I do have a flare for the dramatic when you get stupid with me.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) This type of response doesn't surprise me coming from you JR. You have that throw an official under the bus mentallity. Now tell me, how does it feel? Go ahead and share.

2) However, in the rare event that a coach was to make a statement like this. He's done for the day.

1) Not applicable in your case. You're not an official.

2) Great idea. Bait the coach into saying something and then toss him when he does. Excellent advice for the aspiring rec league official. Warning: Not to be used elsewhere though.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

That would be a bad guarantee. I have done this many of times with college coaches and the like and the results have always been the same. It ended the discussion and I didn't have to access a T. To me it is a unique and intelligent way to say, I'm done talking about this subject and we're going to move on. Now, in the rare case where we can't move on.

First of all, it's not unique just because you haven't seen anyone else use it. It might just mean it's not effective. Second of all, just because you think it's witty doesn't mean it's intelligent. There's a difference, but when you grow up, you'll know that.

Thirdly, you misspelled intramural again.

[Old School]

I'm going to throw this out here and then I'm going to leave it at that. I have better things to do than to spend my day argueing with referees who like to throw other referees under the bus. If you want to call a 3-second lane violation during an interrupted dribble, that is you. Do what you think is right. I'm not going there. However, the rule also states.

"When a team secures control, that team remains in control until the ball is in flight...., or an opponent has secured control. This has an influenence on rules such as team control fouls, 3-seconds violations, and frontcourt/backcourt. No team (repeat JR), no team has control while the ball is dead, during a throw-in or jump, nor during the period following any of these acts when the ball is slapped away from other players in an attempt to secure control.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm going to throw this out here and then I'm going to leave it at that.

Thank you.

However, the rule also states.

"When a team secures control, that team remains in control until the ball is in flight...., or an opponent has secured control. This has an influenence on rules such as team control fouls, 3-seconds violations, and frontcourt/backcourt. No team (repeat JR), no team has control while the ball is dead, during a throw-in or jump, nor during the period following any of these acts when the ball is slapped away from other players in an attempt to secure control.

Note the wordds "following any of these acts" where "these acts" refers to dead ball, thorw-in, or jump. It doesn't refer to "interrupted dribble" or "loose ball during team control"

In practice, I agree that three-seconds is rarely called during an interrupted dribble. But, by rule the count continues.

[SWMOzebra]

A 3-sec call during an interrupted dribble?

Wouldn't this, by some obscure definition somewhere, be labeled a "game interrupter?"

(sorry, couldn't help myself....!)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Wouldn't this, by some obscure definition somewhere, be labeled a "game interrupter?"

Yes.