My Partner Asked Me If I Was T Happy

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Based on this explanation, does this sound to you like I was a little quick with the trigger?

Different areas have different expectations of behavior. To answer your question, you need to determine how a respected Varsity official would have dealt with the situation had the Varsity coach started the discussion and the assistant finished it (in a Varsity game).

[Junker]

I'm just nit-picking here, but did the coach ask you a direct question to cause you to go give him an explanation? If he's just complaining don't go to him, it will only lead to problems. If they have a legitimate question, head on over. I had the bad habit of initiating conversations with coaches early in my career. You're going to bring on more problems than you are going to solve if you are the one initiating the interaction.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Junker

I'm just nit-picking here, but did the coach ask you a direct question to cause you to go give him an explanation? If he's just complaining don't go to him, it will only lead to problems. If they have a legitimate question, head on over. I had the bad habit of initiating conversations with coaches early in my career. You're going to bring on more problems than you are going to solve if you are the one initiating the interaction.

I was basically in front of his bench as I was reporting the foul to the table. He asked me point blank why I didn't call three seconds. A valid question on its own, despite this situation. I went to answer him for three reasons:

1. He asked a direct question about the reason for a call or non-call. Game Management dictates that I at least answer a direct question from a coach about a specific call.
2. If I ignore that same question, he will take a more antagonistic view of me because he would feel that I disrespected him. (and he would have a case)
3. He will continue to whine about three seconds which will annoy us to the point of whacking him anyway .

[Dan_ref]

Coach: "WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL 3 SECONDS??!"
You: "Because he didn't violate the rule"

Then walk away.

[Ignats75]

Coach: "WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL 3 SECONDS??!"
You: "Because he didn't violate the rule"

Then walk away.

Not bad. A little too flip and smarta$$y for me, but not bad.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Not bad. A little too flip and smarta$$y for me, but not bad.

How is that flip or smartass?

It's a concise explanation, period. Trying to drag a coach through a rules lesson never works. He doesn't want to hear about the rule, he wants to know why you screwed his player.

Don't be a willing paricipant.

[Ignats75]

flip

adjective
1. marked by casual disrespect; "a flip answer to serious question"; "the student was kept in for impudent behavior" [syn: impudent

Its obvious by my non-call that he didn't commit the violation so that is why I think that answer would be a little flip. Personally, I will always answer a coach's question about what I saw, if its done with respect. This time, it just went out of control and was handled with the T. I had no problems with the coach at all after that and he never really was the issue. I wasn't concerned that he didn't LIKE my answer, as I had started to walk away. The T was on his bench, not directly on him.

As a somewhat humorous aside, my partner DID call three seconds about 5:00 later ON THEM!!!! Now THAT was an unpopular call!!!!!

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Not bad. A little too flip and smarta$$y for me, but not bad.

I agree. I agree with everything that you did for the most part. Where you may have been able to get out of giving the T would have been when the V coach began questioning. The first complaining I hear in OUR direction from non-head coaches is a warning. The next time I give the T. The easiest thing for me to do is IGNORE them. I have no problem with your T. However, next time give the bench the STOP sign, ask the coach to control his bench, and IGNORE until you need to WHACK!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

The first complaining I hear in OUR direction from non-head coaches is a warning. The next time I give the T. The easiest thing for me to do is IGNORE them. I have no problem with your T. However, next time give the bench the STOP sign, ask the coach to control his bench, and IGNORE until you need to WHACK!!!

You and deecee need to get together and share your ideas on bench decorum. Ignoring the poor behavior may be the easiest thing to do, but it is not the best.

It is also a poor policy to always give a warning for the first complaining from the asst. coaches. The word with quickly get around amongst your local coaches that you never T the first complaint, so they will know that they get a free one.

Now go PM tomegun and tell him that you recommended the stop sign.

BTW what is the difference in the penalty between ignoring the coach and giving him the stop sign?

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Coach: "WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL 3 SECONDS??!"
You: "Because he didn't violate the rule"

Then walk away.

Great answer Dan.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Coach: "WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL 3 SECONDS??!"
You: "Because he didn't violate the rule"

Then walk away.

Much as in the "stop sign" debate, that answer might work for some, but I would never use it. I prefer a "5 words or less" rules answer --"Starts over on a try" or "not while he's shooting".

Tells the coach that you saw the player in the lane, that you were counting, but there's a specific reason not to call the violation.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Much as in the "stop sign" debate, that answer might work for some, but I would never use it. I prefer a "5 words or less" rules answer --"Starts over on a try" or "not while he's shooting".

Tells the coach that you saw the player in the lane, that you were counting, but there's a specific reason not to call the violation.

Disagree, especially at this level, with this call.

The coach isn't interested in learning anything new about the 3 second rule. He's PO'ed because he thinks you screwed him. Frankly I wouldn't even honor this complaint with *any* answer, it's so silly. IMO telling him why you didn't make the call for this particular situation opens you up to criticism when he thinks you're contradicting yourself later. Or even worse he'll disagree with your explanation as happened to Ignats.

Anyway, this dead horse isn't worth beating. Ignats gave his explanation to the coach and still ended up T'ing the assistant. Good T in any event.