How Long Can A Defense Stay in a Zone?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

how the @#$#$ can you warn a coach to bring his team out of a zone?????? why not start calling plays and helping out on defense too...

where is W&S with his obituary on common sense?

deecee, at one time, you could warn the defense to pressure the ball or you could warn the offense to advance the ball. After a count, it was a technical foul not to comply.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

deecee, at one time, you could warn the defense to pressure the ball or you could warn the offense to advance the ball. After a count, it was a technical foul not to comply.

Don't bother Tony. He knows it all. Even though he is just a young'n.

He obviously has no grasp of the history of the NFHS game.

[SMEngmann]

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

Were the games you worked in Reno or Vegas?

Personally, I would like to see a shot clock, but just to take the opposite opinion I have one word: DEFENSE.

Why can't a team play pressure defense and force a turnover?

I have not been impressed with the defense or shot selection of the CA teams that I have seen and I believe that it is a negative consequence of the shot clock. Teams who are used to playing with the shot clock are more willing to take worse shots or the first open look that they get even in games in which there isn't a shot clock. These same teams often fail to maintain their intensity and concentration at the defensive end for more than 30 seconds. These lapses have a way of resulting in easy scores for the opponent.

It can be argued that the shot clock is hurting the fundamentals of the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It can be argued that the shot clock is hurting the fundamentals of the game.

It can't be argued!

It's a fact!

It does force poor shot selection and it also doens't require a well executed defense. The defense only has to defend for about 2/3 of the shot clock. After that, the offense will usually take any shot they can get. If the goal of HS is to teach fundamental basketball, a shot clock is counter to that goal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

Ah, no, there shouldn't be. We don't have a shot clock and I've never been in a stall game. Just because it happens once in a blue moon, somewhere across the country, it's doesn't mean one is needed everywhere.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

We have enough problems with the game clock here. Imagine the mess we would have with shot clocks.

[biz]

The shot clock does not preclude good fundamentals. It makes the games more about the players and less about the coaches which imo is great!! MA has used the shot clock since the 1996/1997 season (boys...the girls have used it for about 5 years longer) and what I see is that it picks up the pace of the game and prevents a poor team from taking the air out of the ball to try and stay with a superior team.

Defense is actually rewarded with the shot clock. If you play good defense for 30-35 seconds then you should be rewarded. I would say that the shot clock really only forces bad shots once or twice a game, because coaches coach to it and the players adjust to it. Most teams recognize the clock and have a set play when it gets to 10 or they make sure their best player gets the ball.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

Why is stalling an affront to the integrity of the game? It is a tactic, just like a press. You may not like it, it may be boring to watch, but IMO there is nothing at all wrong with it. The (fewer than 5) times I have encountered a serious stall in a game I thought it was great. Easiest officiating I have ever done.

I remember in about 1984 watching a game between Univ of Cincinnati and Univ of Kentucky when they had Turpin and Bowie and there was no shot clock. Cinn stalled the entire game to keep it close and it was. If they had to give up a possession every 35 seconds, they would have been killed. The tatic gave them a chance to win.

IMO, in most cases it is true in HS ball. A shot clock will tend to make the rich richer and makes it harder for less talented teams to stay in games.

Just MO.

[budjones05]

Why hasn't NFHS have a shot clock yet?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by budjones05

Why hasn't NFHS have a shot clock yet?

It's been voted down when it's been brought up. The reasons are cost, qualified operators (and officials), and the fact that it would "reward" the better teams.