How Long Can A Defense Stay in a Zone?

[cshs81]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

How is team B preventing team A from taking shots?

Obviously, they're not, thus, the question. If there is a rule that deals with inaction, how is it applied? Is this a situation?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by cshs81

Obviously, they're not, thus, the question. If there is a rule that deals with inaction, how is it applied? Is this a situation?

The situation that you decribe is not illegal.

The offensvie team can stand in the frontcourt and bounce/hold the ball for an entiure quarter if they choose.

The defense can stand there and watch them for the entire quarter if they so choose.

[deecee]

how the @#$#$ can you warn a coach to bring his team out of a zone?????? why not start calling plays and helping out on defense too...

where is W&S with his obituary on common sense?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

how the @#$#$ can you warn a coach to bring his team out of a zone?????? why not start calling plays and helping out on defense too...

where is W&S with his obituary on common sense?

deecee, at one time, you could warn the defense to pressure the ball or you could warn the offense to advance the ball. After a count, it was a technical foul not to comply.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

deecee, at one time, you could warn the defense to pressure the ball or you could warn the offense to advance the ball. After a count, it was a technical foul not to comply.

Don't bother Tony. He knows it all. Even though he is just a young'n.

He obviously has no grasp of the history of the NFHS game.

[SMEngmann]

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

Were the games you worked in Reno or Vegas?

Personally, I would like to see a shot clock, but just to take the opposite opinion I have one word: DEFENSE.

Why can't a team play pressure defense and force a turnover?

I have not been impressed with the defense or shot selection of the CA teams that I have seen and I believe that it is a negative consequence of the shot clock. Teams who are used to playing with the shot clock are more willing to take worse shots or the first open look that they get even in games in which there isn't a shot clock. These same teams often fail to maintain their intensity and concentration at the defensive end for more than 30 seconds. These lapses have a way of resulting in easy scores for the opponent.

It can be argued that the shot clock is hurting the fundamentals of the game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

Ah, no, there shouldn't be. We don't have a shot clock and I've never been in a stall game. Just because it happens once in a blue moon, somewhere across the country, it's doesn't mean one is needed everywhere.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

We have enough problems with the game clock here. Imagine the mess we would have with shot clocks.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

TWO WORDS: SHOT CLOCK

Fortunately here in CA there is a shot clock and there should be one in the rest of the country. I had a game in the summer in Nevada and a stall offense was used, I think it's an affront to the integrity of the game.

Why is stalling an affront to the integrity of the game? It is a tactic, just like a press. You may not like it, it may be boring to watch, but IMO there is nothing at all wrong with it. The (fewer than 5) times I have encountered a serious stall in a game I thought it was great. Easiest officiating I have ever done.

I remember in about 1984 watching a game between Univ of Cincinnati and Univ of Kentucky when they had Turpin and Bowie and there was no shot clock. Cinn stalled the entire game to keep it close and it was. If they had to give up a possession every 35 seconds, they would have been killed. The tatic gave them a chance to win.

IMO, in most cases it is true in HS ball. A shot clock will tend to make the rich richer and makes it harder for less talented teams to stay in games.

Just MO.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by deecee

how the @#$#$ can you warn a coach to bring his team out of a zone?????? why not start calling plays and helping out on defense too...

where is W&S with his obituary on common sense?

deecee, man what are you saying, they help us all the time, this is just our turn to help them out LOL

[MJT]

About 7 years ago when I was coaching we had a similar very bizzare ending to a game. Pretty intense conference rivally and we had a 9 point lead with almost four minutes left. The opposing coach was very stubborn and upset with how his team had played, so he had them stay in their zone and not come out. We had our point guard stand and hold the ball for the entire time. It was over 3 1/2 minutes! Oddest ending I've ever seen or been a part of. We just talked about it last week.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by deecee

how the @#$#$ can you warn a coach to bring his team out of a zone?????? why not start calling plays and helping out on defense too...

where is W&S with his obituary on common sense?

You asked for it:

OBITUARY: THE SAD PASSING OF COMMON SENSE

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouth wash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer Panadol, sun lotion or a sticky plaster to a student, but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim. Not many attended - his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.

[swkansasref33]

I had a small 2A boys JV basketball game a while back. Visiting Team was up 20 at half, and came out in a 4 corners offense. This game had been back and forth, almost every play being a fast break. Needless to say, I welcomed the break. Anyways, the Home team came back and won the game by 2. The V coach never brought his players out of the 4 corners offense What a D.A.

[SMEngmann]

Having refereed with the shot clock, I disagree that it leads to poor shot selection on the part of the players every time. Rather, the shot clock forces players to make decisions and work to get the best possible shot available within the shot period. Without the shot clock, you might be able to be patient enough to get a perfect shot opportunity (rarely are teams that disciplined), but that doesn't mean that teams don't get good scoring opportunities or rush every shot. The shot clock forces teams to be disciplined, especially in the way they use that time. I also think that the defense should be rewarded for doing a great job denying good shots. JMO.