Stop Sign

[tomegun]

Thank you for putting me on your ignore list since you are acting like a dumba$$. I said I know Gary Maxwell, he is a good guy and I (literally) said my comments were not about him. How can I say my comments were not about him any clearer.

You are sitting there saying I'm drunk and you don't even know what day it is! It isn't Friday, it is Saturday.

You are hilarious - every time someone says something that you don't agree with you put them on your ignore list. Newsflash: you are not better than anyone else and you can be wrong sometimes. My sensationalizing of using the stop sign has caused a disagreement between us. I think the fact that you choose to exercise your right to ignore me because of this disagreement says something about how you react to disagreements and could indicate how you treat others who don't feel the same way you do. Pretty sad.

Jurassic, this is how I feel about the stop sign: there is a time and a place for it, but it isn't really for me. It just doesn't seem like is a natural part of non-confrontational communication to me. I will verbally warn a coach when appropriate and then continue with a technical foul. Just like you've pointed out, giving this public warning puts the official in a position where they must T a coach the next time something happens or else their credibility could suffer. My posts about stop signs came about because it seemed to me like many people were talking about using the stop sign as if it was a required step towards a coach getting a T. That is why I talk about it being robotic. So, no, I don't feel like the stop sign should never be used, but my personal preference would probably be to not use it. I won't say I will never use it because that would be an absolute I might not live up to.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Jurassic, this is how I feel about the stop sign: there is a time and a place for it, but it isn't really for me. It just doesn't seem like is a natural part of non-confrontational communication to me. I will verbally warn a coach when appropriate and then continue with a technical foul. Just like you've pointed out, giving this public warning puts the official in a position where they must T a coach the next time something happens or else their credibility could suffer. My posts about stop signs came about because it seemed to me like many people were talking about using the stop sign as if it was a required step towards a coach getting a T. That is why I talk about it being robotic. So, no, I don't feel like the stop sign should never be used, but my personal preference would probably be to not use it. I won't say I will never use it because that would be an absolute I might not live up to.

Sounds logical to me. It shouldn't be a required step imo either. It does have value in some circumstances though, also imo. One of those circumstances being loud, noisy gyms. Another one might be a tv or taped game where you want it on the record that you warned the coach and he ignored your warning, earning himself a "T".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't think I ever said that it is wrong for all officials to use it because of this one situation. Please don't tell me what I make something sound like; I hope to be able to communicate exactly what I want to get across.

FWIW, Tom, I read your comment in this thread about the "all powerful stop sign" much as I think Tony read it.

And, my opinion for the record: SOmetimes it's needed; sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's properly used, sometimes it's not.

Also, it *looks* bad for an official to T a coach who is walking away. It might not *be* bad, though.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FWIW, Tom, I read your comment in this thread about the "all powerful stop sign" much as I think Tony read it.

And, my opinion for the record: SOmetimes it's needed; sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's properly used, sometimes it's not.

Also, it *looks* bad for an official to T a coach who is walking away. It might not *be* bad, though.

I think you guys are reading Tom incorrectly concerning the Stop Sign.

He has a problem when someone posts a situation where a coach gets a Tech and someone will respond "Did you give him the Stop Sign first?" as if it's an automatic progression and/or procedure when giving a Tech.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think you guys are reading Tom incorrectly concerning the Stop Sign.

Well, I specifically asked Tom to explain his thoughts so that I wouldn't read him incorrectly. I think that his last explanation was pretty clear.

[JRutledge]

Personally, this discussion is getting about as stale as the discussion on the baseball board about helmets vs. masks. Who cares what you use? I will not be using the stop sign because I think it does nothing to help the situation. If you want to use it go right ahead. There is a reason why some people get far and others do not. You have to make choices that work for you and if it works for you, use it. It does not work for me and I cannot think of any T where it proceeded with a stop sign.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FWIW, Tom, I read your comment in this thread about the "all powerful stop sign" much as I think Tony read it.

Hmmm...how about that?

Then, we have Jurassic, asking tomegun to explain his position. So it seems that several of us interpreted tomegun's comments the same way. Yet, I'm the one who can't communicate.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think you guys are reading Tom incorrectly concerning the Stop Sign.

He has a problem when someone posts a situation where a coach gets a Tech and someone will respond "Did you give him the Stop Sign first?" as if it's an automatic progression and/or procedure when giving a Tech.

Really? Gee, I must have missed that thread.

Can you reference that thread/post for me so that I can read it?

[tomegun]

Tony, like Rut said do what works for you. I don't see myself using it in the future though.

So BktballRef and Bob read my comments the same.
Jurassic asked me to clarify.
BadNewsRef was on point with what I was trying to say.

Ironically, this is what I take from that. Someone ASSumed, someone asked and BNR knows me so he knows where I'm coming from. I have no problem with that.