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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 01:04am
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Hey badgerfan,

I'm glad you had a good time and I'm glad you will be back next year. I agree with quite a bit of what you wrote. Here is what I did not agree with:

6) Coaches do not have a right to criticize officials. They can ask questions and work with us to make the game better, but they do not have the right to criticize.

7) Managing the game and knowing the rules are BOTH important.

9) Girls games are not necessarily more difficult than boys games. Just different. I have called more intentional fouls in boys games than in girls games.
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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 01:17am
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Hey badgerfan,

I'm glad you had a good time and I'm glad you will be back next year. I agree with quite a bit of what you wrote. Here is what I did not agree with:

6) Coaches do not have a right to criticize officials. They can ask questions and work with us to make the game better, but they do not have the right to criticize.

7) Managing the game and knowing the rules are BOTH important.

9) Girls games are not necessarily more difficult than boys games. Just different. I have called more intentional fouls in boys games than in girls games.
Thanks for the reply:

6) Constructive criticizm from coaches is probabably a better term.

7) Have to disagree with you. Anybody can read the rule book (I had a 96 on the FHSAA exam), but an official still has to know the game and how to manage people.

9) The girls you officiate must be more like "ladies". It is very well known, in West Central Florida, the girls games are lot more difficult to officiate.

Again, thanks for your opinion
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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 01:37am
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Thanks for the reply:

6) Constructive criticizm from coaches is probabably a better term.

7) Have to disagree with you. Anybody can read the rule book (I had a 96 on the FHSAA exam), but an official still has to know the game and how to manage people.

9) The girls you officiate must be more like "ladies". It is very well known, in West Central Florida, the girls games are lot more difficult to officiate.

Again, thanks for your opinion
badgerfan,

Criticism is not allowed. Officials need to be treated with respect. Questions like, "what did you see on that call" are fine. If you allow criticism, you are not maintaining sportsmanship. Respect yourself and expect respect from coaches.

I know officials (long time veterans at times) who can manage a game but make traveling calls when the player doesn't have control of the ball or they call a kicked ball when the ball is struck with the foot unintentionally. I can manage the game by myself if I have to. I can't always "fix" those calls.

I have heard people say that girls games are more difficult to officiate. They are just different. Boys games are more intense and up around the rim. Girls games are more fundamental but less contact creates an advantage so you can't let them play through as much. The adjustment isn't that hard.
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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 02:17am
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Thanks for the reply:

6) Constructive criticizm from coaches is probabably a better term.

7) Have to disagree with you. Anybody can read the rule book (I had a 96 on the FHSAA exam), but an official still has to know the game and how to manage people.
6) Listen to Z. Criticism of any kind during the game from a coach is not allowed. Period. If you tolerate that, you are doing all of your fellow officials a dis-service. Nip it. Nip it in the bud. Fans do have a right to criticize. Any official who listens to those fans however is either very new or not too bright. Fans don't know squat about the rules.

7) You cannot manage a game properly without knowing the rules.

And saying girls games are more difficult to officiate is just sheer nonsense imo.
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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 09:17am
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I'm glad to see you have enjoyed yourself and are planning on coming back again next season. If you don't enjoy it, don't do it.
I have to agree with several of the others about knowing and "applying" the rules. It is the difference between professional officials and someone just coming out of the stands.
I also agree with you that game management is extremely important. A good combination of knowledge and management is needed.
As far as fans go, most are there for one team or the other and see things with blinders on. You will do better to not listen to them. That doesn't mean that sometimes they may have a better angle than both you and your partner(s).
Good luck on next season. Get a mentor if you can to improve your game.
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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 09:53am
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6) Listen to Z. Criticism of any kind during the game from a coach is not allowed. Period. If you tolerate that, you are doing all of your fellow officials a dis-service. Nip it. Nip it in the bud. Fans do have a right to criticize. Any official who listens to those fans however is either very new or not too bright. Fans don't know squat about the rules.

7) You cannot manage a game properly without knowing the rules.

And saying girls games are more difficult to officiate is just sheer nonsense imo.
Take what Z & JR have said to heart - it's good advice. Now I'll add my $0.02....

6) Anything a coach says to you is an attempt, consciously or subconsciously, to influence you to see things their way. The vast majority of MS coaches have little or no knowledge of either the rules or nuances of basketball. Fans are worse. During the game I completely ignore them unless they get way out of line, then I'll have game management remove them.

We realize that the MS environment puts officials into more post game contact with both coaches & fans. We're not advocating being rude. If they have legitimate questions, answer them - turn it into a teaching opportunity. But if they simply want to complain or criticize, simply say "thank you for your opinion", then turn and walk away.

7) Good game management requires a number of things. People skills are definitely a plus, but a solid working knowledge of the rules is essential. Not only do you need to know the rules, you need to know how to apply them correctly.....and that takes time to learn - certainly more than one season working MS games. Study your case books, go watch officials work higher level games & observe what they do, ask them why they do things a certain way.

As to difficulty of girls vs boys - re-read what Z posted........as you get more experience the adjustments will get easier.

Congrats on completing your first year as an official! I hope you stick with it

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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 10:07am
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6) Anything a coach says to you is an attempt, consciously or subconsciously, to influence you to see things their way. The vast majority of MS coaches have little or no knowledge of either the rules or nuances of basketball. Fans are worse. During the game I completely ignore then unless they get way out of line, then I'll have game management remove them.

We realize that the MS environment puts officials into more post game contact with both coaches & fans. We're not advocating being rude. If they have legitimate questions, answer them - turn it into a teaching opportunity. But if they simply want to complain or criticize, simply say "thank you for your opinion", then turn and walk away.

7) Good game management requires a number of things. People skills are definitely a plus, but a solid working knowledge of the rules is essential. Not only do you need to know the rules, you need to know how to apply them correctly.....and that takes time to learn - certainly more than one season working MS games. Study your case books, go watch officials work higher level games & observe what they do, ask them why they do things a certain way.

As to difficulty of girls vs boys - re-read what Z posted........as you get more experience the adjustments will get easier.
Well said, Tim.
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Old Sat Feb 10, 2007, 11:02am
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Take what Z & JR have said to heart - it's good advice. Now I'll add my $0.02....

6) Anything a coach says to you is an attempt, consciously or subconsciously, to influence you to see things their way. The vast majority of MS coaches have little or no knowledge of either the rules or nuances of basketball. Fans are worse. During the game I completely ignore them unless they get way out of line, then I'll have game management remove them.

We realize that the MS environment puts officials into more post game contact with both coaches & fans. We're not advocating being rude. If they have legitimate questions, answer them - turn it into a teaching opportunity. But if they simply want to complain or criticize, simply say "thank you for your opinion", then turn and walk away.

7) Good game management requires a number of things. People skills are definitely a plus, but a solid working knowledge of the rules is essential. Not only do you need to know the rules, you need to know how to apply them correctly.....and that takes time to learn - certainly more than one season working MS games. Study your case books, go watch officials work higher level games & observe what they do, ask them why they do things a certain way.

As to difficulty of girls vs boys - re-read what Z posted........as you get more experience the adjustments will get easier.

Congrats on completing your first year as an official! I hope you stick with it
I'm going to disagree with all 3 of you. A coach DOES have the right to criticize. Girl's middle school IS harder than boys middle school. Knowing how to deal with people IS an important part of being a good official, at this level maybe even more important than a complete understanding of the rules.

For a first year guy to come to this understanding shows he's got promise.
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