charge or not

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

What JR, did #2 sound too good that it couldn't have come out of a 20 something yr. olds mouth?

Yup, especially a 20 something yr. old that had never done high school game at any level in his life before this year. And as for that working college nonsense, you don't know enough about NCAA rules or mechanics to work at that level.

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...877#post334877

Methinks that maybe doing some rec league games and going to a camp really doesn't make you the expert that you try to portray.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, especially a 20 something yr. old that had never done high school game at any level in his life before this year. And as for that working college nonsense, you don't know enough about NCAA rules or mechanics to work at that level.

http://forum.officiating.com/showthr...877#post334877

Methinks that maybe doing some rec league games and going to a camp really doesn't make you the expert that you try to portray.

Once again, you have no idea what I have done or where I have been. I did HS games before, and a ton of them at that, but I had just never reffed a regular season one until this year.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Once again, you have no idea what I have done or where I have been. I did HS games before, and a ton of them at that, but I had just never reffed a regular season one until this year.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight but I can't help but wonder what this means.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight but I can't help but wonder what this means.

It means he's another rec league warrior. We've gone through this before with him. He thinks that if you do college-age players in a summer league, you're a college official. Kinda like a young Old School. He's now a first year high-school official, and he still hasn't posted whether his first year also includes his first real, live high school varsity game either.

As you saw above, he keeps insisting that NBA rules should be used in NFHS/NCAA situations, as exemplified by their block/charge rule under the basket. Saying not to call charges on secondary defenders under the basket is just typical of his posts. Of course, he also insists among other things that whacking the board but not touching the ball or basket while doing so is BI. Maybe I shouldn't get ticked off so much, but his nonsense doesn't help the education of new officials reading this forum.

[chartrusepengui]

Hey - I am an educator of the arts (music) and my administrators are always taking $$$$ from me to give to weight rooms and athletics. When did BB become an art? I wanna know so I can hit up my administration for more $$$$$. :-)

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Maybe I shouldn't get ticked off so much, but his nonsense doesn't help the education of new officials reading this forum.

I agree JR. Please stick to answers that are backed by legitimate rules and not hear say on the courts. This is tough enough without adding confusion.
Thanks

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It means he's another rec league warrior. We've gone through this before with him. He thinks that if you do college-age players in a summer league, you're a college official. Kinda like a young Old School. He's now a first year high-school official, and he still hasn't posted whether his first year also includes his first real, live high school varsity game either.

As you saw above, he keeps insisting that NBA rules should be used in NFHS/NCAA situations, as exemplified by their block/charge rule under the basket. Saying not to call charges on secondary defenders under the basket is just typical of his posts. Of course, he also insists among other things that whacking the board but not touching the ball or basket while doing so is BI. Maybe I shouldn't get ticked off so much, but his nonsense doesn't help the education of new officials reading this forum.

I'll take the high road and just say that you can believe what you want to believe. If you want to believe that I am a "rec league warrior" that is fine. I appreciate you trying to discredit me. There are less than a handful of people on this forum who have seen me work, and you are not one of them, so I ask kindly please don't attempt to discredit me if you haven't seen me work or if you don't know about my rules knowledge. Do I follow the rules to a perfect T. No, I don't and posts on the forum show that. Does that make me a horrible referee. In your eyes and others, maybe, but not in the eyes of the people I work for and work with.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Do I follow the rules to a perfect T. No, I don't and posts on the forum show that. Does that make me a horrible referee. In your eyes and others, maybe, but not in the eyes of the people I work for and work with.

Well, that tells me a lot about your association's standards. If they think it's OK for their officials to apply NBA rules and philosophies to high school games instead of teaching you the proper and appropriate rules, mechanics, etc. to use, then you're probably in the right place. Hey, use or make up whatever rules and mechanics that you want to. I could care less, and apparently your association could care less too. When you recommend that other officials should follow your lead though, well, I'm guess that I'm just gonna have to differ with you.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Do I follow the rules to a perfect T. No, I don't and posts on the forum show that. Does that make me a horrible referee. In your eyes and others, maybe, but not in the eyes of the people I work for and work with.

Thus the reason the rules committee felt the need to make this a POE this year, as stated in another Thread by I think Nevada...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Splute

Thus the reason the rules committee felt the need to make this a POE this year, as stated in another Thread by I think Nevada...

Once again, there is a real world and there is the rulebook. Not all things are defined clearly by the rulebook. If you actually read the rulebook, the rulebook actually talks about the "Spirit of the Rule." If you ask me the NF double talks on many levels. If there is a rule they think is not being applied by the letter, then they need to make it a POE. Just saying "do not do this or else" without any description is rather silly if you ask me. Once again, the NF does not hire officials, hire assignors or give post season games. If they want to start doing that, then and only then can they get on talk about what officials should or should not realistically do. The very people that want to talk about how to apply this rule by the letter are some of the very people that if we were to switch this conversation to another rule, they would use a personal or widely used application of that rule.

Peace