Make the dam call!!!

[chartrusepengui]

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The reality is that the rules are optimized for the play of 16-18 year olds. To say that allowing a coach to hand wave a very technical violation of a rule for a game between 12 and 13 year olds is tantamount to throwing out the whole rulesbook is a bit extreme. Relax a bit and help the kids learn the game.[/

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Again - if we teach 12 and 13 year olds/parents/coaches that it's just a minor unimportant "mistake" that can be forgiven - then we should not be suprised by thier outrage when they get the T at age 16-18. Giving the T teaches them that there is a consequence - even for coaches etc . If we forgive this, why not forgive the the intentional foul - just have a nice "church chat" with them telling them not to do it again. If a fight breaks out we could all sit around the center circle and have a discussion about "good touches and bad touches". Bottom line is - if we don't enforce the rules - they won't learn the rules. Enforce the rule, give the T and then explain at this level.

[RushmoreRef]

Had this situation that is similar.....HT (official scorer) is notoriously slow in getting things in the book....Visitors get him the info at the 12 minute mark....he's still writing at the 5 minute mark.....new coach for HT wants a T....No, I told him the book was made available before the 10 minute mark.

Right or wrong?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

Had this situation that is similar.....HT (official scorer) is notoriously slow in getting things in the book....Visitors get him the info at the 12 minute mark....he's still writing at the 5 minute mark.....new coach for HT wants a T....No, I told him the book was made available before the 10 minute mark.

Right or wrong?

you were correct.....there is a team in this area that has his names/numbers printed out on a piece of paper that just needs taped in the book...it works very well....as far as the OP I have handled it both ways in Jr Hi games

[deecee]

lol these MS games with these really life altering issues that HAVE to be dealt with by the letter of the basektball law cracks me up.

I am very proud that you knew the rule and you taught the 7/8th grade aspiring woodshop/bobby knight coach a lesson. [end sarcasm]

who cares -- by the book you are right and I agree with you -- by the laws of common sense I disagree and I would make it clear to the coach what IS expected of him and the book but MS -- you barely have someone to do the book, do the time, they probably practice twice a week for an hour with someone who probably isnt a very good coach but is there because he enjoys it. To go by the letter of basketball law in some situations is a bit far fetched IMO. [rant off]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

To go by the letter of basketball law in some situations is a bit far fetched IMO. [rant off]

I disagree. Going by the letter of the law in some situations isn't farfetched at all imo. Going by the letter of the law in all situations is farfetched.

[CoachP]

Hey, pretty soon we'll have middle school games on ESPN,.... hey don't laugh.

Coaches should know this rule. I learned my lesson from a T, and since then, I put all my players names and numbers in MSWord and just print it out before each game. Hence, if my bookkeeper screws up, I have hardcopy proof I provided it to them correctly.

Plus, with all this T talk, it's just a technicallity, hence the term "technical foul" , .....and it's not like an Official is gonna blow the whistle as loud as he can and give it his best Oscar performance "T" signal, I say call it every level......my 2 cents.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Plus, with all this T talk, it's just a technicallity, hence the term "technical foul" , .....and it's not like an Official is gonna blow the whistle as loud as he can and give it his best Oscar performance "T" signal, I say call it every level......my 2 cents.

Agreed, and I think this is the salient point. You don't have to make a spectacle out of it and embarrass the offending coach, you can make it a teaching opportunity.

[chartrusepengui]

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QUOTE=fiasco]Agreed, and I think this is the salient point. You don't have to make a spectacle out of it and embarrass the offending coach, you can make it a teaching opportunity.

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I think we should all agree to that!

[deecee]

that is why i carry a whiteboard and markers to the game...

[SeanFitzRef]

Seems to me that this is going to be a split topic. Half of us would administer the T, others wouldn't. Some call every travel that occurs in a 6th grade game, some don't.

CLH and his partner disagreed on how to handle the sitch, but CLH got his way, and they moved on.

I agree that at some levels you can do more teaching than administering, and to each his or her own. We should all know what the rules are, even if the coaches don't. The application of the rules is our most fundamental duty during any game, but we will ALL pass on some things that are clearly in violation of said rules. Otherwise, we'd still be reffing games from 2003 right now. CLH felt it was his duty to call the T this time, and he did. I wouldn't have, but that's me.