You Make the Call

IREFU2 · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 08:35am

During my Varsity game last night I had the following play -

A1 is going in for a layup and B1 is right behind her. A1 lays the ball up and as she is on her way back to the floor B1 trying to block the shot, clear her out and she hits the floor. The ball was bouncing all around the rim and eventually the shot was missed. I blow my whistle and award her two shots. Team B coach goes crazy and said she had shot already. Comments???????

FrankHtown · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 08:47am

The rules against double jeopardy do not apply on the basketball court.

If she was still an "airborne shooter" she needs to be protected as a shooter untill she touches the floor. Sounds like you got it right to me.

IREFU2 · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 08:50am

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Originally posted by FrankHtown
The rules against double jeopardy do not apply on the basketball court.

If she was still an "airborne shooter" she needs to be protected as a shooter untill she touches the floor. Sounds like you got it right to me.

Thats what I thought, but my partner didnt think so.

Jurassic Referee · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 08:53am

Good call. It's right out of the definition of an airborne shooter in R4-1. A1 as an airborne shooter is still considered to be in the act of shooting. If she's fouled before returning to the floor, it's a shooting foul.

Just another coach who doesn't know the rules. Tell him that he was lucky that you didn't call it an intentional foul for excessive contact by his defender knocking the shooter to the floor from behind- a la case book play 4.19.3SitB.

IREFU2 · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 09:03am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Good call. It's right out of the definition of an airborne shooter in R4-1. A1 as an airborne shooter is still considered to be in the act of shooting. If she's fouled before returning to the floor, it's a shooting foul.

Just another coach who doesn't know the rules. Tell him that he was lucky that you didn't call it an intentional foul for excessive contact by his defender knocking the shooter to the floor from behind- a la case book play 4.19.3SitB.

I almost went with the intentional, but she was "trying" to make a play for the ball and contact wasnt excessive enough.

Jurassic Referee · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 09:19am

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Good call. It's right out of the definition of an airborne shooter in R4-1. A1 as an airborne shooter is still considered to be in the act of shooting. If she's fouled before returning to the floor, it's a shooting foul.

Just another coach who doesn't know the rules. Tell him that he was lucky that you didn't call it an intentional foul for excessive contact by his defender knocking the shooter to the floor from behind- a la case book play 4.19.3SitB.

I almost went with the intentional, but she was "trying" to make a play for the ball and contact wasnt excessive enough.

Good call- either way. As Frank said, the airborne shooter has to be protected. They're very vulnerable up there. Aamf, that was a POE a few years ago.

rainmaker · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 07, 2005, 10:04am

Just another coach who needs to get some rule books in his stocking this year.

refnrev · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 08, 2005, 04:09pm

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Just another coach who needs to get some rule books in his stocking this year.

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Sounds like your partner needs some rule books, too. What did he want? You clearly had an airborne shooter.

Snake~eyes · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 12:57am

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Just another coach who needs to get some rule books in his stocking this year.

What would he need rulebooks for? Starting his fireplace up?

rainmaker · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:13am

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Just another coach who needs to get some rule books in his stocking this year.

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Sounds like your partner needs some rule books, too. What did he want? You clearly had an airborne shooter.

Who, me?

IREFU2 · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 08:43am

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Originally posted by refnrev

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Just another coach who needs to get some rule books in his stocking this year.

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Sounds like your partner needs some rule books, too. What did he want? You clearly had an airborne shooter.

He said the player was to far under the basket to get the 2 shots.

Jurassic Referee · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 09:22am

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Originally posted by IREFU2

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Originally posted by refnrev

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Just another coach who needs to get some rule books in his stocking this year.

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Sounds like your partner needs some rule books, too. What did he want? You clearly had an airborne shooter.

He said the player was to far under the basket to get the 2 shots.

Sounds like your partner would make a good coach.

IREFU2 · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 09:26am

LOL

Rick82358 · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 01:33pm

being underneath the basket has what to do with anything in high-school? or non experimental college?

Your partner needs to read up on the actual rules of the game - not the percieved rules of the game.

Ref Daddy · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:06pm

NFHS

SECTION 1 AIRBORNE SHOOTER
ART. 1 . . . An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor.
ART. 2 . . . The airborne shooter is considered to be in the act of shooting.