Couple issues from the Coach's perspective

[26 Year Gap]

Some people used Clif notes to help in understanding some books. Old School used the Cliffs of Insanity to understand the rule book.

[Texas Aggie]

Who did you play in Dallas and when?

The reason I ask is because none of the Dallas county jucos play women's ball. Collin County college does, and they are just north of Dallas in Plano, but I didn't see an Arizona school on their schedule.

[Ref Daddy]

Originally Posted by steve33

Some issues that have cumulated over the season from the Coach's perspective, and I'd like some neutral officials opinions.
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Hello Steve. What does the term in RED mean? What is a neutral official?

[chartrusepengui]

Had the same situation here. Juco team comes in. School has "hired" work study students to do the book. Kid seems knowledgeable etc. At half when we came back out, the away coach approached. (I knew him from some camps when I had been coaching) He asked to speak with me. He asked if I had called a foul on his #15. I looked, and remembered the kid and foul because he was the only one wearing a headband on that team. I told him I did. He said that the "official" book didn't have any fouls on his #15 but his best player had 4. Also said that another player that should have had a foul didn't show it in the book - but admitted that his best player did have 3.

I told him that while I understood his frustration - and that I knew that I had called a foul on his #15 - I didn't know where they might have placed that foul. (like on his best player) Since I didn't have direct knowledge about where they placed it about the only thing I could do is to put a foul in the book for his #15 but I could not remove any from anyone else as I had no direct knowledge that the official scorekeeper had done anything wrong except not entering the foul for #15. He was not happy with the situation - but understood the delema of the officials. He was very gracious with us.

The second half - we went right to the table when reporting fouls to make sure they were placed in book correctly. Following the game we approached the AD and suggested that he might want to think about a different scorekeeper and explained the situation. The coach said that when fouls were reported, his guy verbally asked scorekeeper "15 - right?" but never actaully looked in the official book. Tough situation - but without direct knowledge nothing an official can do.

[chartrusepengui]

Had the same situation here. Juco team comes in. School has "hired" work study students to do the book. Kid seems knowledgeable etc. At half when we came back out, the away coach approached. (I knew him from some camps when I had been coaching) He asked to speak with me. He asked if I had called a foul on his #15. I looked, and remembered the kid and foul because he was the only one wearing a headband on that team. I told him I did. He said that the "official" book didn't have any fouls on his #15 but his best player had 4. Also said that another player that should have had a foul didn't show it in the book - but admitted that his best player did have 3.

I told him that while I understood his frustration - and that I knew that I had called a foul on his #15 - I didn't know where they might have placed that foul. (like on his best player) Since I didn't have direct knowledge about where they placed it about the only thing I could do is to put a foul in the book for his #15 but I could not remove any from anyone else as I had no direct knowledge that the official scorekeeper had done anything wrong except not entering the foul for #15. He was not happy with the situation - but understood the delema of the officials. He was very gracious with us.

The second half - we went right to the table when reporting fouls to make sure they were placed in book correctly. Following the game we approached the AD and suggested that he might want to think about a different scorekeeper and explained the situation. The coach said that when fouls were reported, his guy verbally asked scorekeeper "15 - right?" but never actaully looked in the official book. Tough situation - but without direct knowledge nothing an official can do.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Had the same situation here. Juco team comes in. School has "hired" work study students to do the book. Kid seems knowledgeable etc. At half when we came back out, the away coach approached. (I knew him from some camps when I had been coaching) He asked to speak with me. He asked if I had called a foul on his #15. I looked, and remembered the kid and foul because he was the only one wearing a headband on that team. I told him I did. He said that the "official" book didn't have any fouls on his #15 but his best player had 4. Also said that another player that should have had a foul didn't show it in the book - but admitted that his best player did have 3.

I told him that while I understood his frustration - and that I knew that I had called a foul on his #15 - I didn't know where they might have placed that foul. (like on his best player) Since I didn't have direct knowledge about where they placed it about the only thing I could do is to put a foul in the book for his #15 but I could not remove any from anyone else as I had no direct knowledge that the official scorekeeper had done anything wrong except not entering the foul for #15.

There was another thing you could have done. You could have checked the other teams book for total fouls on #15, if they where keeping their own book too. In other words, you got 3 sets of books. If the two non-official books matched and the official book didn't, I would change the official book to match the other two books.

#2.) If #15 was there best player, I would have done a little more investigation. Count the total team fouls with the number of fouls listed per player. If it was even, then some player got tagged a foul that shouldn't. This is in the absence of a 3rd book. Here's where I'm going to go into my judgement. It's rare for the best player of a team to pick up 4 fouls in the first half. The coach will sit hit him after 2 and they won't see no more action until the 2nd half. Since I know the kid with the headband had a foul that wasn't in the book, I assume the foul was placed on the wrong player. I would remove the 4th foul from #15 and give it to the kid with the headband. Team fouls are still equal. Explain it to the other coach as a bookkeeping error. Play ball.

[Texas Aggie]

Steve: go to gsoa.org and you should find an email address to the individual who assigned the games. You can address your concerns with him.