Throw in

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

Okay, let's take this a little bit farther.

What are all the non-common-fouls can occur during the throw-in? (so violations and technicals, but not personal fouls like a push/hold)

Team A has the throw-in (player A1 throwing it in), Team B is defending (player B1 defending the throw-in).

1) A1 does not throw the ball in within 5 seconds
2) A1 steps over the line when throwing the ball in.
3) A1 leaves the designated spot during the throw-in (not a traveling, right?).
4) B1 breaks the plane of the OOB line. (Violation? T?)

What else?

I know this might seem kinda picky, but I just want to point out that #1, #2 and #3 are violations, not fouls. If A violates during the throw-in, they do lose the arrow (if it's an AP throw-in), and they lose the endline (obviously). If A fouls, they lose the endline privilege, again obviously, but they don't lose the arrow. For that reason, it's importnat to distinguish between fouls and violations, rather than lumping violations under fouls. For an over-arching word, use "infractions".

[mick]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

For an over-arching word, use "infractions".

So, yer sayin' it's illegal to put a foot in one's mouth ?

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I know this might seem kinda picky, but I just want to point out that #1, #2 and #3 are violations, not fouls. If A violates during the throw-in, they do lose the arrow (if it's an AP throw-in), and they lose the endline (obviously). If A fouls, they lose the endline privilege, again obviously, but they don't lose the arrow. For that reason, it's importnat to distinguish between fouls and violations, rather than lumping violations under fouls. For an over-arching word, use "infractions".

Oops again, very good catch - I meant to include violations when wording it, but couldn't think of a word that would exclude personal fouls - Thanks! Infractions work quite well.

That being said... what other infractions?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

1) A1 does not throw the ball in within 5 seconds
2) A1 steps over the line when throwing the ball in.
3) A1 leaves the designated spot during the throw-in (not a traveling, right?).
4) B1 breaks the plane of the OOB line. (Violation? T?)

What else?

Off the top of my head:
1. The thrower steps over the OOB line and touches Inbounds territory.
2. anyone catches the throwin pass while standing OOB on any of the four lines.
3. The thrower releases the ball for a throwin pass and then proceeds to touch it before anyone else.
4. The thrower hands the ball to a teammate.

There's a few more in rule 9-2.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

WRONG! Wrong again.



deecee, NEVER agree with anything that OS writes. It will only make you look bad when he is proven to be incorrect. As is the case here. Not only does he not have an NFHS Rules Book, but he is too lazy to read what's currently posted on the NFHS website.
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2006/10/2006..._rules_in.aspx

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: With less than one minute to play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Legal procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official has begun the five-second count.

Way to go Nevadaref!!!! When I first read OS's response, I had the same thought as you. I did not have my book to quote, plus I was leaving work to ref. So, I was going to wait until I came home. Never fear, you chimed in and set OS straight.
deecee, you should know not to give any credit to OS. Shame on you.

[Catherinehoo]

To follow-up on the initial question...

Say Red makes a basket, White takes it out, throws it in, and THEN the timeout is granted. The ball will be thrown in at the same spot; can white still run the baseline?

Thanks.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Catherinehoo

To follow-up on the initial question...

Say Red makes a basket, White takes it out, throws it in, and THEN the timeout is granted. The ball will be thrown in at the same spot; can white still run the baseline?

Thanks.

If the time-out request is recognized before the throw-in, then the right to use the end line remains.
If the time-out request is recognized after the throw-in, then a designated spot is used.
If the time-out request is recognized during the throw-in (after the release, but before player control) it should be ignored.

[deecee]

i applogize and have learned my lesson -- shame on me...

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by deecee

i applogize and have learned my lesson -- shame on me...

Good boy.

[Four-Oh]

Originally Posted by wildcatter

Okay, let's take this a little bit farther.

What are all the non-common-fouls can occur during the throw-in? (so violations and technicals, but not personal fouls like a push/hold)

Team A has the throw-in (player A1 throwing it in), Team B is defending (player B1 defending the throw-in).

1) A1 does not throw the ball in within 5 seconds
2) A1 steps over the line when throwing the ball in.
3) A1 leaves the designated spot during the throw-in (not a traveling, right?).
4) B1 breaks the plane of the OOB line. (Violation? T?)

What else?

Hi, everyone! First time here in the basketball forum (been shot down once in the Baseball forum already, but that's my rookie sport!*)
Anyway, here goes...

4, above is a delay-of-game warning for the first offence, then a team technical foul after any warning for delay (9-2-11, penalties 1 and 2, 10-1-10).

Here are a couple more:

1) B1 contacts the ball on the OOB side of the line: technical foul (9-2-11, penalty 3, 10-3-11), charged directly to the player.

2) B1 fouls A1 on the OOB side of the line: intentional personal foul (9-2-11, penalty 4)

And, I suppose, the garden-variety T for unsporting conduct!

As suggested in another post, lots more under 9-2!

Just a question, along with this, does anyone try to call the delay of game before either of my 1 or 2, above, happen? You'd have to be pretty quick with the whistle, I guess!
Andrew

*: which I picked up so that I could spend our all-too-brief summer outside in the sun, rather than in a (usually non-A/C) gym!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

WRONG! Wrong again.



deecee, NEVER agree with anything that OS writes. It will only make you look bad when he is proven to be incorrect. As is the case here. Not only does he not have an NFHS Rules Book, but he is too lazy to read what's currently posted on the NFHS website.
http://www.nfhs.org/web/2006/10/2006..._rules_in.aspx

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: With less than one minute to play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Legal procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official has begun the five-second count.

I didn't know this either, that good info to know. Thanks for sharing and correcting me.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: With less than one minute to play in the fourth quarter, Team A scores a field goal to tie the game. B1, standing under the basket after the score, secures the ball and begins heading to the end line for the ensuing throw-in. A1 requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Legal procedure. Team A may request and be granted a time-out until the ensuing throw-in begins. The throw-in does not begin until B1 has the ball at his/her disposal and the official has begun the five-second count.

Thanks for sharing and correcting me. I did not know that. I'm sure this made your day. Try not to gloat to much....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Old School

I didn't know this either, that good info to know. Thanks for sharing and correcting me.

Perhaps you are starting to come around.

I'll stop picking on you if you agree to start reading the NFHS rules (starting with the Interps currently posted on the website) and stop posting incorrect rulings so decisively as if you know them. If you don't know, then put "I'm not sure, but I think..." or "I don't know for sure, but I believe the way it is done is..." in your response. That way newer refs don't mistakenly believe that the answer you provided is definitely correct.

If you truly want to learn the rules, I am willing to help you.

Best wishes.