To count or not to count

[Nevadaref]

A1 ends his dribble in the frontcourt and B1 begins closely guarding him. When the count reaches three, A1 tosses the ball straight up in the air (10 feet high) and without moving either foot is able to catch the ball when it comes back down. How does this effect the five-second count?

Should the official:
a. continue to count the entire time
b. suspend the count during the toss, but continue from 3 on the catch
c. start a new five-second count on the catch

[truerookie]

a. continue the count.

[IamKip]

The defender didn't make an attmept to get he ball and the offensive player didn't move either feet? What were they both stuck in glue, can't even imagine this happening....

[Nevadaref]

Please remember what the rule says when answering.
Rule 4, Section 10
CLOSELY GUARDED
A closely guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her team's frontcourt, is continuously guarded by any opponent who is within 6 feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball. A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please remember what the rule says when answering.
Rule 4, Section 10
CLOSELY GUARDED
A closely guarded situation occurs when a player in control of the ball in his/her team's frontcourt, is continuously guarded by any opponent who is within 6 feet of the player who is holding or dribbling the ball. A closely guarded count shall be terminated when the offensive player in control of the ball gets his/her head and shoulders past the defensive player.

Unless, we are treating the toss as a pass. It does not fall in the category of being a interrupted dribble.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by IamKip

The defender didn't make an attmept to get he ball and the offensive player didn't move either feet? What were they both stuck in glue, can't even imagine this happening....

Some people seem to think their time is well spent thinking about how the rules as written apply to near-impossible 3rd world plays.

Nevada is among those.

[IamKip]

If this happened the near impossible way Nevadaref said. I am starting a new count since player lost control...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by IamKip

If this happened the near impossible way Nevadaref said. I am starting a new count since player lost control...

So....if a player tosses the ball from one hand to the other, you'd start a new count too?

Interesting theorem.....

[IamKip]

Never said that JR ... Obviously the player in your scenerio is in control of the ball. The player in Nevadaref's play I can not picture being in control. 10feet up 100 feet up, he ain't got the ball, I ain't counting!

The play is near impossile and not planned for in the rules. Good judgement must be applied. In mine I am starting a new count if defense is stupid enough to just stand there and offense is unbelieveably glued to the floor... It won't happen!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So....if a player tosses the ball from one hand to the other, you'd start a new count too?

Interesting theorem.....

That is the realistic play that I was heading towards. I put forth the extreme case first to push the limits.

So what do you say about this plays, JR?

[IamKip]

Not even remotely the same play as tossing it back and forth from left to right hand... Again back and forth from left to right hand the count is staying on...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by IamKip

If this happened the near impossible way Nevadaref said. I am starting a new count since player lost control...

Not so fast...

There is a case play that disagrees with you. (Don't have it handy). It says something like this: A1 tosses the ball over B1's head, runs around B1, then catches the ball. The ruling is a travel.

Controlled, deliberate tosses up in the air are considered to be equivalent to holding the ball.

[BillyMac]

I don't mind discussing plays that happen only once every five or ten years, but I hate discussing plays that will probably never happen.

A few years ago, on the IAABO Refresher Exam, a question appeared that I believe will never, never happen. To paraphrase it:

After a throw-in in by A-1, in A-1's backcourt, the ball, untouched by either team inbounds, is on the floor in the backcourt for more than ten seconds. Since the ten second count doesn't start until Team A controls the ball inbounds, what rule does the official apply? I don't remember the exact wording, but it was a yes or no answer.

My answer: Why doesn't Team B pick up the ball? I don't remember the correct answer. Do any of you?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not so fast...

There is a case play that disagrees with you. (Don't have it handy). It says something like this: A1 tosses the ball over B1's head, runs around B1, then catches the ball. The ruling is a travel.

Controlled, deliberate tosses up in the air are considered to be equivalent to holding the ball.

No the ruling is an illegal dribble. 4.15.4 Sit E

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't mind discussing plays that happen only once every five or ten years, but I hate discussing plays that will probably never happen.

A few years ago, on the IAABO Refresher Exam, a question appeared that I believe will never, never happen. To paraphrase it:

After a throw-in in by A-1, in A-1's backcourt, the ball, untouched by either team inbounds, is on the floor in the backcourt for more than ten seconds. Since the ten second count doesn't start until Team A controls the ball inbounds, what rule does the official apply? I don't remember the exact wording, but it was a yes or no answer.

My answer: Why doesn't Team B pick up the ball? I don't remember the correct answer. Do any of you?

That's a legal play and there is no call to make.