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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bigdogrunnin

I would like to add, "have position established on the floor (feet on the floor) - which puts the defender in 'legal guarding position'" to the aforementioned post. Otherwise, what Scrapper said.

That's almost what Scapper's #1 said, Dog. That's basically the same as "facing him/her initially". Scrappy just left out the "both feet on the floor part.

Bad Scrappy. Bad, bad Scrappy!

Good addition.

Also....the guard doesn't have to be facing the opponent either when the contact occurs. He can turn or duck to absorb the contact.

[Ref Daddy]

Does squaring up mean the same as:

ART. 2 . . . To obtain an initial legal guarding position:

a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

Does squaring up mean the same as:

ART. 2 . . . To obtain an initial legal guarding position:

a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

No, I think that the original poster meant after LGP was established.

I think.

Maybe.

If he did, rule 4-23-3 applies.

[81artmonk]

Sorry for the confusion, I forgot that you refs talk Ref speak. LGP was what I meant, and from your answers, I feel let down, since by definition most refs I deal with would call a player for blocking even if LGP was obtained.

Also....the guard doesn't have to be facing the opponent either when the contact occurs. He can turn or duck to absorb the contact. Based on this I see my players called for blocking almost everytime. I was always taught that if you have LGP, as you call it, that contact by the opponent is charging.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

Sorry for the confusion, I forgot that you refs talk Ref speak. LGP was what I meant, and from your answers, I feel let down, since by definition most refs I deal with would call a player for blocking even if LGP was obtained.

Also....the guard doesn't have to be facing the opponent either when the contact occurs. He can turn or duck to absorb the contact. Based on this I see my players called for blocking almost everytime. I was always taught that if you have LGP, as you call it, that contact by the opponent is charging.

You feel let down because....

I don't get your point here.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

Sorry for the confusion, I forgot that you refs talk Ref speak. LGP was what I meant, and from your answers, I feel let down, since by definition most refs I deal with would call a player for blocking even if LGP was obtained.

Also....the guard doesn't have to be facing the opponent either when the contact occurs. He can turn or duck to absorb the contact. Based on this I see my players called for blocking almost everytime.

Then I would suggest you teach (coach) your players to stop turning and ducking.

I was always taught that if you have LGP, as you call it, that contact by the opponent is charging.

There's quite a bit a player can do to turn a charge into a block.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Then I would suggest you teach (coach) your players to stop turning and ducking.

There's quite a bit a player can do to turn a charge into a block.

Sadly, this is true do to officials who do not correctly call the charge/block. We as officials are much too quick to call a foul on the defense in these situations even when the defender has LGP and is retreating.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Sadly, this is true do to officials who do not correctly call the charge/block. We as officials are much too quick to call a foul on the defense in these situations even when the defender has LGP and is retreating.

I agree.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Sadly, this is true do to officials who do not correctly call the charge/block. We as officials are much too quick to call a foul on the defense in these situations even when the defender has LGP and is retreating.

No, this is due to how players are coached.

I would not agree that "we" as officials are too quick or too slow to do anything.

I would only say that there's a lot a player can do to turn a charge into a block. Of course there's also a lot a player can do to maintain LGP and get the charge. How it turns out depends to a large degree on the coaching.

This coach claims he rarely gets charge calls. As I said if I were him I would take a long look at what I'm teaching.