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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

where is lgp when a player is half way falling down and then contact occurs? his feet might be planted but a 45degree angle of the body doth not lgp make imo

If you are having a problem with this, maybe you need to review the actual rule. I player can move backwards and maintain legal guarding position.

Peace

[deecee]

i agree with moving backward -- falling down is where i would say the player lost LGP -- how can you have LGP falling down? who the heck are you guarding. there is a difference between bracing for impact and falling down thats all I am saying.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

where is lgp when a player is half way falling down and then contact occurs? his feet might be planted but a 45degree angle of the body doth not lgp make imo

You really don't understand the concept, do you?

And if it's explained, you also won't understand the explanation.

Sooooooo......buh-bye.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

camron i disagree -- the defender is wimping out and putting the offensive player and him at risk for an ugly collision -- the onus on this is the defensive player to take the charge -- the defender falling early IMO he gives up LGP once he starts to do this

Really. The offensive player who is barreling in at him at full speed has not part of making the ensuing collision ugly. A defender does NOT have to get injured to draw a charge. They are allowed to protect themselves....either by cushioning the blow with thier hands or by fading away. I'm not talking about flopping half way to the floor before contact...but just a bit of fade.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

where is lgp when a player is half way falling down and then contact occurs? his feet might be planted but a 45degree angle of the body doth not lgp make imo

We're not talking about a player halfway to the floor...you were not either. The original situation was a player who started to fade away and didn't stand in there and take it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

also if i am wrong and I usually am -- a player who gets possession of the ball and is airborne must be allowed to land.

FALSE again. If an opponent was there before the player jumped, it is still a charge. If what you saw were true, you could pogo-stick around the court, crash through players, and never foul.

[deecee]

i was referring to establishing your position after the player had jumped --

and i am talking about a player who is clearly falling -- not just starting -- but falling down.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

The most uncalled violation in my experience is Player A is defending the ball. Player B cuts around Player A, Another Player A2 anticipates this and assumes a LGP on the other side of his partner. Player B comes around the blind side of Player A and runs into Player A2. I see this called blocking all the time. When by definition he had established LGP more than 1 step from a player who was obstructed.

This is caused by the ref being too focused on the initial match-up (A v. B) and not the secondary matchup (A2 v. B). So, the ref is "surprised" to find A2 there and surmises that A2 was "late" (did not obtain LGP).

Depending on the location of the play, the other officials can help, especially in 3-person officiating.